Do we need to have OHR on Coasters

[verticalzero]

Would "lapbars" be enough for the following rides:

 

1) Boomerang

2) Dive Coaster like Oblivion

3) SLC

4) Inverted

 

Our hands would be free to put in the air and the rides would be more exciting.

[CoasterFanatic]

I would not be interested in riding a Boomerang or Dive Coaster with only a lapbar only because of hanging nature of the rides.

 

Easier to just fall on the OTSR.

[Shockwave]

OTSRs also help the body cope with the braking forces at the end of rides. One reason the newest Intamin Rocket coasters use shoulder restraints is to do just that.

[Calvin]

There are many rides that could easily be devoid of OSTR's. Many B&M looping coasters could simply have lap bars a la Chiller. Most Schwarzkopf loopers don't need OSTR's at all. I could see companies getting creative and making lap bars for inverted coasters.

 

Maurer Sohner had a huge flop when they debuted the X-car coaster at Drayton Manor. The restraints were the main complaint. They hurt, and are uncomfortable. On top of that, the ratchet system only works one way so during the ride the lap bar actually comes down further, which is just a huge injury waiting to happen.

 

While lap bars work for some coasters you can see that they do not work for all coasters. Mostly it just boils down to the safety regulations in the area. Revolution wouldn't have OSTR's if it weren't for the California safety regulations, for example.

[mcjaco]

^ That and do you trust most of the general public from not trying to get out from a lap bar? I sure wouldn't.

[jALIg]

where would you connect the lap bar to the car on a inverted or a SLC coaster? without blocking the wiev or making it uncomfortable? and making it abseolutely safE?

[IwantRevenge]

^sure just hinge the lap bar form the bottom as opposed to the top.

[CoasterFanatic]

^ The bottom of what?

 

There is no floor.

[Milkchan]

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They could have a lapbar similar to skyhawk at cedar point. If a inverted coaster were designed with lapbars it may only have vertical loops and should have some of the best air time.

[jALIg]

im not sure wether it would be safe. and half of the point about inverters is that they are twisted because and making an airmachine inverted wouldnt be such a good idea cos only the front seat has a good view forward and that would wreck parts of the xperience.

 

but also ostr is a lot more accomodating for larger people(mostly american problem) and of course its an extra safety measure.

[IwantRevenge]

^ The bottom of what?

 

There is no floor.

 

Lol i jusr relised that after I posted. To put clamshells on a Invert you can have a Bar the extends out infront of the trian and have the Clamshells Hinged to there.

 

That is a better idea.

[HCOSurfer90]

What if the restraint was on the bottom of the seat and curved upward towards the person in the seat?

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Like this

[thomas2]

Okay just imagine lapbars on a GIB (for those who don't know: Giant Inverted Boomerang, a deja vu)

That thought scares the hell out of me!

[Milkchan]

This is the idea I haf about the lapbars being like on an inverted coaster.

The bar is shaped like the one on TTD, but the way it pulls down and locks is like Skyhawk

This is skyhawk/ dragster inspired lap bar.

[jALIg]

What if the restraint was on the bottom of the seat and curved upward towards the person in the seat?

 

i think that would increase the loading timer extremely beacuse riders would have climb over the restraint.

 

and with a skyhawk like restraint would increase the risk of slipping out of the seat as those are not folding around you like hypers

[jamesdillaman]

The real question is how the ride would be better. The screaming swing and sky swatter restraints are fine for a short duration, but a lot of the elements on inverts I wouldn't want to be wearing one on. It seems like it might be painful.

 

-James Dillaman

[IwantRevenge]

This is the idea I haf about the lapbars being like on an inverted coaster.

The bar is shaped like the one on TTD, but the way it pulls down and locks is like Skyhawk

 

I think this would be the best bet. That idea is being used on Vertigo in Belguim

See, Photo credit to RCDB

[jALIg]

i think that would be the best alternative to OTSR but still i think OTSR is more accomodating and lapbars very much limits the layout of the track. because of laws given by states for rides.

 

and b&m OTSR is the easyest for the guests to understand so dispatches can go faster.

[Milkchan]

^^^

You can do an inverted coaster with lapbar, just not like doing ay rolls, corkscrews, dive loops, etc. The things you can do in overbanked turn, Vertical loops without problems. Also lapbars on inverted coasters may give the best way to have airtime.

[jALIg]

^^^

You can do an inverted coaster with lapbar, just not like doing ay rolls, corkscrews, dive loops, etc. The things you can do in overbanked turn, Vertical loops without problems. Also lapbars on inverted coasters may give the best way to have airtime.

 

jeah but dont you loose most of the poitn with a inverter? they are supposed to be tiwsted and inversed. so not beeing able to roll would loose most of the poin i think

[Milkchan]

^

I kind of see what what you mean.

My idea of inverted is just a way you ride the coaster, that you would be under the tracks with your legs dangling. Doesn't necessalrily mean you have to go through inversions and twists, to count the ride to be an inverted coaster.

[weeow]

where would you connect the lap bar to the car on a inverted or a SLC coaster? without blocking the wiev or making it uncomfortable? and making it abseolutely safE?

 

 

 

Well this new Vekoma design would work.

http://www.coastersandmore.com/pic/eas06/vekoma_zugg.jpg

[jALIg]

do you have a link to the picture instead?

[Milkchan]

This looks kind of unsafe because it seems the bar is not close to the waist area, but its only a concept design.

[Director_Guy]

There are deffinately some rides out there that don't need OTSR...like Revolution at Magic Mountain or possibly Ninja at the same park.