Wes Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I think if you look at goleafsgo's title under his name, you'll see what what his true feelings are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollerholden Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I think if you look at goleafsgo's title under his name, you'll see what what his true feelings are. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeemerBoy Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I missed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goleafsgo Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 thats not funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiCoastal Kid Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 If you need a big scare... go to GOOGLE and search for Bonzai Kittens... Horrible... Â So when YOU googled that, I suppose you skipped over the Snopes article that proves that to be a joke site, right? It is the second result. Â http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/bonsai.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelizeIt Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 There is a difference between expressing your views thru peaceful means vs. becoming violent. Â At it's core, I believe that PETA's intentions are honorable, they wish to protect animals from undue suffering and harm. But, whether you agree with it or not animals are going to be slaughtered for food, and that's never going to change. (No matter what PETA does) If PETA wants to make sure that these animals are treated humanly while they're alive, I could completely agree with that, but to say that everyone should follow their beliefs is ridiculous. Â Sadly, many of PETA's followers as well as leaders (like Dr. Jerry Vlasak) advocate acts of violence against those who don't follow PETA's beliefs. On my local news today there was a story about how members of a PETA affiliate called the Animal Liberation Project, were upset with a local researcher. So to express their dislike of this person did they peacefully demonstrate in front of her office?, uh no.....they decided instead to plant a gasoline bomb on the front doorstep of her home! Â Luckily the gasoline bomb was discovered before it had the chance to detonate. But, the truely pathetic part of the cowardly act, was that these extremists set up the bomb at the wrong house! The little old lady who lived at this address said that if it had exploded she would have likely been trapped in her house, and could have been burned alive! Â Anyhow, PETA has the right to express its opinions, but they don't have the right to express their views by pursuing acts of violent retribution against those who don't agree with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 goleafsgo: Stop posting in this thread. I've had numerous complaints about your conduct. I just had to delete a page of inane, pointless posts. The best thing you can do right now is just STOP POSTING IN THIS THREAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingScooter Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I wonder what Peta thinks of games like Deer Hunter? Â I'm waiting for a hostile takeover between Peta and GreenPeace. Though I think both agencies have their place, they both remind of the SouthPark episode: Smug (the one about hybrid cars) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Six Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I wonder what Peta thinks of games like Deer Hunter? Like you would think. Peta does not approve. But Peta also doesn't leave their members gameless. Check out this new hot game that's a Deer Hunter alternative! _six Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingScooter Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 ^LOL. love it! I use to own the Deer Avenger game. I think Tofu Hunter has merit. Eat some magic Schrooms and hunt those pesky cubes down before they devour the planet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hercules Posted July 19, 2006 Author Share Posted July 19, 2006 Thanks Lou. Should I start a global warming thread to go along with the stereotyping thread  No need to thank me, to be honest I'd be inclined to disagree with many of your views, but you and a couple of others in particular, and many more to an extent, have argued your points intelligently and articulately, and I don't see why it should descend into some immature name-calling discussion, which is what seems to happen whenever goleafsgo posts here.  Probably the best thing to do is to just ignore his posts in this thread and carry on around him, IMO.  Oh, no no. I wasn't implying anything that you were agreeing with me or anything. I was just thanking you for posting in a respectable manner and notciing how stupid things had become. And I also wanted to thank you just for simply reading the thread, which I think that a few people that are/were posting in it were not doing themselves.    There is a difference between expressing your views thru peaceful means vs. becoming violent. At it's core, I believe that PETA's intentions are honorable, they wish to protect animals from undue suffering and harm. But, whether you agree with it or not animals are going to be slaughtered for food, and that's never going to change. (No matter what PETA does) If PETA wants to make sure that these animals are treated humanly while they're alive, I could completely agree with that, but to say that everyone should follow their beliefs is ridiculous.  Sadly, many of PETA's followers as well as leaders (like Dr. Jerry Vlasak) advocate acts of violence against those who don't follow PETA's beliefs. On my local news today there was a story about how members of a PETA affiliate called the Animal Liberation Project, were upset with a local researcher. So to express their dislike of this person did they peacefully demonstrate in front of her office?, uh no.....they decided instead to plant a gasoline bomb on the front doorstep of her home!  Luckily the gasoline bomb was discovered before it had the chance to detonate. But, the truely pathetic part of the cowardly act, was that these extremists set up the bomb at the wrong house! The little old lady who lived at this address said that if it had exploded she would have likely been trapped in her house, and could have been burned alive!  Anyhow, PETA has the right to express its opinions, but they don't have the right to express their views by pursuing acts of violent retribution against those who don't agree with them.  I agree with this for the most part. I think that it is horrible that there are PETA followers and some "leaders" within the organization that give it a very bad name through acts like this. It is kind of dumb to go into a farmhouse or something, try to blow it up and then end up killing most of the turkeys or chickens or whatever that were in their either by the initial explosion or by the mass chaos that persues. They say it is to either get attention and raise awareness or to prevent future mistreatment at that site, but what about the animals that are killed in the possess? Not to mention that bad name that the organization gets.  I think that from a business and ethical aspect PETA is good. Although, I have heard some horror stories from past employees. They do advocate that employees do things that they don't necessarily want to do, using the line "The problems are so bad that you should do whatever it takes."  I wonder what Peta thinks of games like Deer Hunter?  To tell you the truth, I didn't like the game before I got into animals rights. I just never "got" hunting in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeemerBoy Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 ^ Wait, how would a Deer Hunter game not influence kids to take up hunting? Now I know you can't blame all violent crimes on Grand Theft Auto, etc. etc., but c'mon now. The object of the game is to kill deer. Deer hunting is legal. Therefore, the game could easily influence kids to take up a new, legal hobby. Â And trust me, misguided kids with access to rifles can lead to horrible consequences (but that's a whole other issue). Â I'm neither for, nor against hunting (it's just disgusting and pointless IMHO...but to each his own), but suggesting that the game couldn't influence someone to try the real thing is a pretty weak argument. Â Â Grr, I told myself I was gonna avoid this thread. Â Scott "the plural of deer is.....deer" B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hercules Posted July 20, 2006 Author Share Posted July 20, 2006 I've always gone against the whole argument that video games influence people, but I'm sure that a game as realistic as Deer Hunter is very influential. I'm actually kind of starting to change my opinion of the whole video game thing. I mean, I used to play Grand Theft Auto, and one time after just ignoring the object of the game for an hour, I just started stealing cars and running them into things. It was a great time. After that, I took a drive to the grocery store. I had this weird urge to just start ramming my Lumina into everything in sight. Now obviious, I had enough common sense and restraint to not do it, but I'm sure that games like Grand Theft Auto and others can be influential. I mean, I had a relative that set a kid on fire after playing a video game. He just went and got a match, some gasoline, and went out and set a kid that he got mad at on fire. He was 17 years old and I would think that he would have enough common sense to not do something like that, but he was never really right in the head and was easily influenced. He saw it on the game and decided to just do it. Â Games can be influential things to some people. I'm not saying to all people, just some, especially younger people whose minds are developing. Â I don't want to get jumped on for some kind of animal rights thing for this. I know what the arguments are going to be. I am just generalizing this to be video games in general and with a select amount of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hercules Posted July 28, 2006 Author Share Posted July 28, 2006 Here is a very good documentary http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3251419433163515470&q=earthlings&pl=true  Yes it is over and hour and a half long, but it covers a wide range of topics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hercules Posted August 2, 2006 Author Share Posted August 2, 2006 Being the proud boyfriend that I am, I just wanted to share what my girlfriend just completed last night. Â http://www.peta.org/feat-china.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goleafsgo Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 at the bump... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hercules Posted August 2, 2006 Author Share Posted August 2, 2006 Please, it was on page 2. I've seen things get bumped from a lot further back than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyboy Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 I got a comment about deer hunting. I live in Door County Wisconsin (the thumb on Wisconsin). If we don't have a deer hunting season, the deer population would grow like if you left two rabbits alone together for a year. They would ram through their food supply faster than you could say Vekoma. The DNR and animal rights activists up here encourage deer hunting because it is incredibly necessary for a stable ecosystem. I am very much against animal cruelty, but I believe that deer hunting does not fit under animal cruelty. Â Now beemerboy, I believe you have it wrong. If you give younger kids access to rifles at a younger age, they learn gun safety and with their own eyes see that guns are not toys. They are able to comprehend for themselves that guns are dangerous and when they grow older they have a better respect for what firearms are capable of. I have seen this first hand. There are some of the most out of control ADD kids I've ever seen that deer hunt. When I first found out they hunt, I was appauled. How could their parents possibly let them use a rifle? One day before deer season I stopped by the the local gun club because of some business for work. I saw them shooting and I was amazed at how calm and focused they were. Things completely changed when the rifle was put in their hands. Â This may seem a little extreme, but if we gave children a drivers license at the age of 10, I could almost guarantee that they would be better drivers for life. Â The whole world needs to sit down and rethink how it looks at moral and ethical issues and stop being so oblivious to ways to put and end to our problems. I do believe animal cruelty needs to end, but we need to define what cruelty is. I believe that poaching is cruelty, but not deer hunting. The regulations placed on deer hunting in Wisconsin do not allow for the slaughtering of deer, but merely for the hunting. This is not cruel. Â As for the allowing children to have firearms, I would like to say that less than 1% of all deaths to children under the age of 15 are caused by firearms. People say that we need to tighten gun control, but why? What problems are we fixing? Is this a problem that needs fixing? We can't go jumping into legislation and off the wall regulations without knowing if a problem actually exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyboy Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 ugh, no response yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingScooter Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 I want steak! Rare. Â Â Back to the subject: In a lot of the USA, hunting is needed for population control. AS stated, their food supply would vanish in like one, maybe two seasons. Â What's more cruel, putting a bullet thru their heads and eating them or letting them starve to death? Deer sounds good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XLRBR Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Seriously though, that video of the racoons being beaten is horrible, I didn't even watch the whole thing. Â Neither did I. Waaaaay to sad and EVIL!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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