FeelTheFORCE Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 ^ Yeah exactly. Hydra is only 95 feet tall with a 105 drop, and a little over 3000 feet long, yet it costs a hefty $13 million. WIcked Twister only goes back and forth, with only one train and is still over 9 million. I dont believe one is that much more expensive than the other. WT has a launching system though which are complex and add to the price, if you took it out, it'd cost much less (and not do anything...but that's not the point!) A good example of that is Maverick and Fahrenheit. Virtually the same coaster, but cost is vastly different. Now granted Maverick is almost 2000 feet longer, but I'm sure it's two launches also contributed to it being $9 million more than Fahrenheit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VivaLaVibora Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 It seems to be that B and M likes playing it safe. They are good at what they do, and that is make "luxury" roller coasters, so to speak. They don't do launches, vertical lifts, or any other real gimmicks.In terms of the number 240, I have no clue why they aren't willing to do 255 or something like that. They are gimmicky in that they have done Dive Machine, Flying Coaster, Stand-Up, and Floorless. Why make it over 240? Superman Ride of Steel to a lot of people is the best steel coaster, and it's drop at SFNE is only at 221. Yes, it's Intamin, but look at the height. Top Thrill Dragster, and Kingda Ka only have had problems. Millenium Force has had cable snaps. Taller doesn't always mean better, but it just means it's a taller ride. Someone was saying something about having lifthill chains being so heavy for a 300 footer, and that's why they used cable. How about having 2 lifthills chains? One that is 150 ft plus extra, and another one that is 150 ft. plus extra You put one at the start, and one in the middle. Of course, you have to have them at the same speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginzo Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Someone was saying something about having lifthill chains being so heavy for a 300 footer, and that's why they used cable. How about having 2 lifthills chains? One that is 150 ft plus extra, and another one that is 150 ft. plus extra You put one at the start, and one in the middle. Of course, you have to have them at the same speed. That doesn't seem very B&M-like as you now have two lift systems that could break and take the ride down instead of one. In general you want to reduce complexity/points of failure, not add to it/them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFTERBURN1234 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 I really think bizarro at sfne is a great ride! (even though i didnt ride it yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VivaLaVibora Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 ^^I don't see what's the difference with one or two. If one chain breaks on let's say Raptor, the ride is down than. Cables for rides just need to be replaced so often especially with a taller ride compared to chain lifts. I don't think having two chain lifts right after each is that complex of a system. It's not like LIMs or LSMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atem122 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 ^It was done on Steel Dragon 2000 I'm not sure how reliable the ride is though (different manufacturer too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFTERBURN1234 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 ^It was done on Steel Dragon 2000 I'm not sure how reliable the ride is though (different manufacturer too) Doesn't steel dragon 2000 carry 2 trains on 1 lift hill if the employs are fast enough,because it has 2 chains i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFORCE Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 I guess theoretically it could, but I don't see why they would do that. The train would have to stop at the top anyway and wait for the other train ahead of it to clear the MCBR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFTERBURN1234 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 I guess theoretically it could, but I don't see why they would do that. The train would have to stop at the top anyway and wait for the other train ahead of it to clear the MCBR. Oh yeah but the lift hill is actually really slow,i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atem122 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 I'm not quite sure if the 2 lifts even count as 2 block sections anyways, I'd assume that they count as 1 block section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsdominionlvr Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 I'm not quite sure if the 2 lifts even count as 2 block sections anyways, I'd assume that they count as 1 block section Generally, one lift counts as one block, one block brake counts as one block, and the station counts as a block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFTERBURN1234 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 I believe that is correct.^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atem122 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 I'm not quite sure if the 2 lifts even count as 2 block sections anyways, I'd assume that they count as 1 block section Generally, one lift counts as one block, one block brake counts as one block, and the station counts as a block. So where does one lift with 2 chains fit into that?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFORCE Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 I'm not quite sure if the 2 lifts even count as 2 block sections anyways, I'd assume that they count as 1 block section Generally, one lift counts as one block, one block brake counts as one block, and the station counts as a block. Yeah, but SD2K isn't a "general" coaster, it's a unique one with a unique lift hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsdominionlvr Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 I'm not quite sure if the 2 lifts even count as 2 block sections anyways, I'd assume that they count as 1 block section Generally, one lift counts as one block, one block brake counts as one block, and the station counts as a block. So where does one lift with 2 chains fit into that?... I doubt that would change anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFTERBURN1234 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Wait -Wait -Wait i thought this thread was about hypers and 240ft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atem122 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 ^Tell that to this guy I really think bizarro at sfne is a great ride! (even though i didnt ride it yet) Yes, this thread is about B&M and 240 feet, but we were merely discussing reasons why lift hills cant go that high...and then you asked about the blocking issue and we got off topic, so in an attempt to bring this back on track: I believe they don't go over 240 because they're WAY TOO FREAKIN EXPENSIVE!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsdominionlvr Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Yeah, B&Ms are much to expensive (their hypers, are almost as expensive as Millennium Force) to build a 300 foot lift hill coaster. Morgan pulled it off because their coasters are generally cheaper to build, then B&Ms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFTERBURN1234 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Well then they should make hypers over 240 like every 2-4 years!if there broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolcalicoaster Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 ^Lets start a new thread where we all guess how long this person will last on TPR? lmao I say 5 more hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFTERBURN1234 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 ^Lets start a new thread where we all guess how long this person will last on TPR? lmao I say 5 more hours I am not on this site right now am doing something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiSab Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollerboy Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 I love TPR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFTERBURN1234 Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 I love TPR. I cant wait till next summer so i can ride it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollerboy Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 ^ Sorry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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