Infusion POV

[Shockwave]

^I'm glad you said that, because it needed saying.

 

Sarcasm?!

 

I'm feeling quite ranty today.

 

None at all. You know I'm too nice to be sarky!

[Louise]

True true, I just wasn't sure if you were pointing out that my post was basically a combination of everybody else's previous ones.

 

I'm curious as to how many of the GP who are giving this thing rave reviews rode it as Traumatizer and don't know it. Wonder if they liked it there or not...

[Ryan King]

Man....

 

Their coaster terminology is wharped!

 

Every B&M is better than every Vekoma. The very berst Vekoma isn't as good as the worst B&M. How could they say that Infusion is better? It sounds to me, like if Blackpool were to open an indoor Boomerang(or of the likes), the European would sh1t themselves and call it the best ride ever. Phooey!

 

The only people qualified to make such sweeping statements as that at the start of your last paragraph are those who have ridden EVERY B&M and EVERY Vekoma in the world. And to be fair, to make a truly objective comparion they would have to have ridden them all within, let's say at most, a year. Generalisations like that make no sense.

 

It doesn't surprise me, having seen some of the media coverage, to read the kind of comments Will posted on the last page. A lot of the GP *do* have seriously short-term memories. They rode Nemesis last year, they loved it. They rode Infusion this year, and think it's better than what they remember Nemesis to be. Of course, in their opinion, maybe it IS better than Nemesis, which is fine, but I think if most people could ride them one after the other Nemesis would likely win out.

 

I'll reserve judgement until I ride it next month, but even if I like it, I'm not sure I like it being there, if that makes sense. Many here know I'm not exactly a Blackpool fan, but I do recognise the charm of the park in a fairly major way, and as somebody commented earlier, all the other coasters have some unique or historical value to them. This just seems... Odd. It doesn't fit in at all, in my view. But then, I guess the same could've been said for Big One when that was put in, so... I'll get used to it.

 

Yeah..you make a good point Lou. But from what I recall..when I was there. The only thing standing where Infusion is now was a run down Log Flume?

 

I mean...who misses the log flume??

 

BPPB threw something more thrilling in its place. Something to deliever more thrills to people. Im glad they did what they did...it only makes the park look THAT much cooler.

 

They pack family fun in such a tight space.

 

-Ryan

[Louise]

Man....

 

Their coaster terminology is wharped!

 

Every B&M is better than every Vekoma. The very berst Vekoma isn't as good as the worst B&M. How could they say that Infusion is better? It sounds to me, like if Blackpool were to open an indoor Boomerang(or of the likes), the European would sh1t themselves and call it the best ride ever. Phooey!

 

The only people qualified to make such sweeping statements as that at the start of your last paragraph are those who have ridden EVERY B&M and EVERY Vekoma in the world. And to be fair, to make a truly objective comparion they would have to have ridden them all within, let's say at most, a year. Generalisations like that make no sense.

 

It doesn't surprise me, having seen some of the media coverage, to read the kind of comments Will posted on the last page. A lot of the GP *do* have seriously short-term memories. They rode Nemesis last year, they loved it. They rode Infusion this year, and think it's better than what they remember Nemesis to be. Of course, in their opinion, maybe it IS better than Nemesis, which is fine, but I think if most people could ride them one after the other Nemesis would likely win out.

 

I'll reserve judgement until I ride it next month, but even if I like it, I'm not sure I like it being there, if that makes sense. Many here know I'm not exactly a Blackpool fan, but I do recognise the charm of the park in a fairly major way, and as somebody commented earlier, all the other coasters have some unique or historical value to them. This just seems... Odd. It doesn't fit in at all, in my view. But then, I guess the same could've been said for Big One when that was put in, so... I'll get used to it.

 

Yeah..you make a good point Lou. But from what I recall..when I was there. The only thing standing where Infusion is now was a run down Log Flume?

 

I mean...who misses the log flume??

 

BPPB threw something more thrilling in its place. Something to deliever more thrills to people. Im glad they did what they did...it only makes the park look THAT much cooler.

 

They pack family fun in such a tight space.

 

-Ryan

 

I didn't mean "I don't like it being THERE", meaning, where it is in the park. I meant that I don't see the coaster as "fitting in" at BPB, regardless of whereabouts on the premises they put it. It'll be a big success for them, and good for them, at the end of the day, as much as we might like to pretend otherwise, the amusement industry is about making money. But an SLC, to me, just doesn't feel right in Blackpool. Imagine how odd it would be to take something like Big Dipper and plonk it in the vicinity of Air and Nemesis at Alton... That's almost how I see it.

 

But yes, you're right, to 90% of the park's visitors, including a bunch of enthusiasts, I'm sure, it fits in perfectly and just makes the park all that much more appealing. They're expanding their audience and adding bigger thrills, and good for them!

[Ryan King]

I didn't mean "I don't like it being THERE", meaning, where it is in the park. I meant that I don't see the coaster as "fitting in" at BPB, regardless of whereabouts on the premises they put it. It'll be a big success for them, and good for them, at the end of the day, as much as we might like to pretend otherwise, the amusement industry is about making money. But an SLC, to me, just doesn't feel right in Blackpool. Imagine how odd it would be to take something like Big Dipper and plonk it in the vicinity of Air and Nemesis at Alton... That's almost how I see it.

 

But yes, you're right, to 90% of the park's visitors, including a bunch of enthusiasts, I'm sure, it fits in perfectly and just makes the park all that much more appealing. They're expanding their audience and adding bigger thrills, and good for them!

 

Oh Ok! I TOTALLY get what you mean now! "It just doesnt fit"

Your example of dropping a classic woody between Nemesis and Air Just DOESNT work...that makes perfect sense Lou!! (Not being sarcastic)

 

-Ryan

[Axman]

My generalization may have been exagerated, but there really aren't many Vekomas that are better than B&Ms. There just can't be. Everybody HATES Vekoma too much for that to be possible

 

The fact that Infusion will stay a good ride is actually besides the point. As important as that is, I think it's more important for Blackpool to stick to its roots. I they had built a Balder-sized woodie in that spot, then I would be much more satisfied with their decision.

 

It just seems as though Blackpool decided to take the easy way out of building their next new coaster. They plopped in a cheap cookie cutter instead of a custom ride, which is NOT what I've come to expect from them.

 

However, despite the differences the ride posses from the rest of the park, It does look stunning. Plus, the locals are pleased, and the park finally has something different.

[DATman]

My generalization may have been exagerated, but there really aren't many Vekomas that are better than B&Ms. There just can't be. Everybody HATES Vekoma too much for that to be possible

 

The fact that Infusion will stay a good ride is actually besides the point. As important as that is, I think it's more important for Blackpool to stick to its roots. I they had built a Balder-sized woodie in that spot, then I would be much more satisfied with their decision.

 

It just seems as though Blackpool decided to take the easy way out of building their next new coaster. They plopped in a cheap cookie cutter instead of a custom ride, which is NOT what I've come to expect from them.

 

However, despite the differences the ride posses from the rest of the park, It does look stunning. Plus, the locals are pleased, and the park finally has something different.

 

I don't hate Vekoma at all. Have you been on Deja Vu at Magic Mountain? That thing is INSANE. It didn't bash me around at all. Heck, it was smoother than Scream. I would assume that Expedition Everest isn't an awful ride. So that would mean that all the people who love that ride cannot completely hate Vekoma. How many of their rides have you even been on to make that generalization. Are you getting it from the coaster community? Because they are certainly not everyone.

[Wes]

An illustrated example of Axman's posts in this thread.

[savemagicmountain]

hahahaha! he is digging himself quite a hole. But anyways is it not just a matter of opinion? Yes B&M's appeal to a greater majority then vekoma but everyone deserves there own opinion. In my opinion while most the B&M's are smoother I like the Vekoma Flying Dutchmans more then the B&M SUF clones.

Sorry I ranted a bit back to the point. Blackpool is known for marketing the hell out of things as well as toying with the statistics(measuring height from sea level) so It will probably work out best for them this season.

[Ryan King]

My generalization may have been exagerated, but there really aren't many Vekomas that are better than B&Ms. There just can't be. Everybody HATES Vekoma too much for that to be possible

 

The fact that Infusion will stay a good ride is actually besides the point. As important as that is, I think it's more important for Blackpool to stick to its roots. I they had built a Balder-sized woodie in that spot, then I would be much more satisfied with their decision.

 

It just seems as though Blackpool decided to take the easy way out of building their next new coaster. They plopped in a cheap cookie cutter instead of a custom ride, which is NOT what I've come to expect from them.

 

However, despite the differences the ride posses from the rest of the park, It does look stunning. Plus, the locals are pleased, and the park finally has something different.

 

I don't hate Vekoma at all. Have you been on Deja Vu at Magic Mountain? That thing is INSANE. It didn't bash me around at all. Heck, it was smoother than Scream. I would assume that Expedition Everest isn't an awful ride. So that would mean that all the people who love that ride cannot completely hate Vekoma. How many of their rides have you even been on to make that generalization. Are you getting it from the coaster community? Because they are certainly not everyone.

 

Man, I totally forgot about EE being a Vekoma! As I said earlier...I dont HATE Vekomas either! They just have a bad rep. for being a little on the rough side. But they take you to your limits.

[Vekoma Fan Boy]

Man....

 

Their coaster terminology is wharped!

 

Every B&M is better than every Vekoma. The very best Vekoma isn't as good as the worst B&M. How could they say that Infusion is better? It sounds to me, like if Blackpool were to open an indoor Boomerang(or of the likes), the European would sh1t themselves and call it the best ride ever. Phooey!

 

Dude...what the HELL are you talking about!?!

 

Vekoma likes to take you to your "limits" per-say. Deja Vu, Boomerang, Face Offs etc. I Happen to enjoy Vekoma rides...

TRUE..they're not the "smoothest" rides in the world..

But hey, when you're thrown backwards through a loop and a cobra roll, you expect that to be smooth!!!

 

B&M is very good, yes. BUT..B&M Doesn't really take you backwards through Cobra rolls...or have you sit face to face like Vekoma does.

 

I like to look at it as though Vekoma really takes you to your outer most limits. On the other hand, B&M is known for their fast, speedy, airtime, inversion after inversion coasters.

 

Blackpool's addition of Infusion, IMO, is a fantastic idea! I believe you also noted that in 5 years the ride will turn to crap? Possibly..but that's due to low upkeep costs.

 

BPPB does a FANTASTIC job at keeping their park up to speed, along with all their rides and attractions...so cut them some slack!!

 

-Ryan "End Rant" King

 

I was thinking the same exact thing!

 

But seriously, an SLC will NEVER EVER EVER EVER better than Nemesis, even I realize that. But as said the GP only have an attention and memory span of ~5 minutes. The truth is it will eventually become crap, the track will eventually warp causing the ride to get progressively rougher, but I personally don't mind that, yes it is annoying, but not as bad as an Arrow corkscrew can get, but only because the arrow are older. Every thing gets old, everything fades away.

 

Wow could that last part have been more gloomy?

[Axman]

^^^^ ouch...

Really un-called-for.

 

Bottom Line:

 

I haven't been on a Vekoma I've loved. The closest thing to that would be Magic Mountian's Deja Vu.

 

B&M, to me, is on a totaly different level above Vekoma. SLCs have always seemed like a rough and cheap ride, though they are fun to an extent. B&Ms have always seemed like the virtual line of perfection. High capacity, a smooth ride, and a reliable mechanism.

 

Vekomas in general, are less enjoyable than B&Ms. For every rule, such as this one, there are always exceptions. I'm sure some Vekomas are very smooth, but may not be in the future. B&Ms stay smoother longer because they are a better quality ride.

 

Basically, what Blackpool's decision is saying to me is that they don't want to spend money on a better ride, but instead, jazz-up a used cheap ride that will eventualy become painful in coming years. Am I the only one who thinks that is a problem?

 

I frow apon this decision, because I always thought of BPPB to have better jugement than that.

 

I don't know if any of you agree with me, but if you could, just bare with me and accept my opinion.

 

I'm a but confused now. I never hear the end of how much a boomerang or SLC hurts. So many people talk about them like they're awful. I knoe from experience that thier pretty rough. How is it that we don't HATE them?

 

 

-Alex"Cut me some friggin' slack"Dickey

[Ryan King]

Well..that is the most logical post youve posted thus far. Youve actually stated an opinion that makes sense...

 

These kinds of posts are what causes people to NOT "cut you slack"

 

Man....

 

Their coaster terminology is wharped!

 

Every B&M is better than every Vekoma. The very berst Vekoma isn't as good as the worst B&M. How could they say that Infusion is better? It sounds to me, like if Blackpool were to open an indoor Boomerang(or of the likes), the European would sh1t themselves and call it the best ride ever. Phooey!

[Shockwave]

^^^^ ouch...

Really un-called-for.

 

Bottom Line:

 

I haven't been on a Vekoma I've loved. The closest thing to that would be Magic Mountian's Deja Vu.

 

B&M, to me, is on a totaly different level above Vekoma. SLCs have always seemed like a rough and cheap ride, though they are fun to an extent. B&Ms have always seemed like the virtual line of perfection. High capacity, a smooth ride, and a reliable mechanism.

 

Vekomas in general, are less enjoyable than B&Ms. For every rule, such as this one, there are always exceptions. I'm sure some Vekomas are very smooth, but may not be in the future. B&Ms stay smoother longer because they are a better quality ride.

 

Basically, what Blackpool's decision is saying to me is that they don't want to spend money on a better ride, but instead, jazz-up a used cheap ride that will eventualy become painful in coming years. Am I the only one who thinks that is a problem?

 

I frow apon this decision, because I always thought of BPPB to have better jugement than that.

 

I don't know if any of you agree with me, but if you could, just bare with me and accept my opinion.

 

I'm a but confused now. I never hear the end of how much a boomerang or SLC hurts. So many people talk about them like they're awful. I knoe from experience that thier pretty rough. How is it that we don't HATE them?

 

 

-Alex"Cut me some friggin' slack"Dickey

 

^Because they're not all as bad as you're making them out to be! I've been on some pretty awesome Boomerangs and SLCs, and granted that they're not all glass smooth, but they're certainly not all backbreakers!

 

Also as has already been mentioned, they're a great ride for a park which needs a big attraction at an affordable price. The general public aren't gonna care too much about the ride being a Vekoma SLC. You hang below the track and you turn upside down, that's what they see.

 

I take it that you also may not know much about Blackpool's circumstances. They can't afford much more than a second-hand SLC because they simply don't have the money. The park struggles to break even every year, and the reason they've put in the ride they had from another park is because they still owe money and interest on the SLC to the bank for the cost of that ride. So it's not against their better judgement, it's becaus their hands are are tied by the predicament they are in.

 

If you talk about stuff that you're not clued up on, then people are going to lay into you.

[Louise]

I think people laid into you (Axman) partly, like Tom says, if you make statements that make no sense, then you pretty much leave yourself wide open for it. And also, it's all about differences of opinions. VekomaFanboy or somebody said earlier "an SLC will NEVER EVER be better than Nemesis, even I know that", but hey, if somebody prefers an SLC to Nemesis... Good for them! Sure, they'll get a few funny looks for it, but as long as they aren't being ridiculous and saying "Nemesis is shit" just to be annoying, they're more than entitled to their opinion.

 

For me, I compare things on a ride to ride basis. I could care less who built Infusion, if I like it, I'll rate it accordingly, and if I don't, I won't. I'd much rather ride Kumali than Nemesis Inferno, for example, so there's one Vekoma over B&M example. B&M do have a better *reputation*, but its to each their own.

[RollerC]

I love how people here think their opinions surpass anyone elses opinions in the world. Honestly, shut the hell up. What you think is the BEST, is not the best to another person. If I said that Mustangs are the best cars out there, would you think the same thing? This is a good investment for BPB. SLC's are awsome rides if they are taken care of. Look at Thunderhawk at GL...probablky one of the smoothest rides in the park and the GP flock to it.

[Axman]

I had no idea that BPPB had a money problem. This was a damn good addition for any park that can't make ends meet. I hope a lot of people show up to give it a whirl.

 

I feel like I've come to my senses. I think that if Blackpool can do for Infusion what they do for their other coasters, then I'm sure it will be worth the ride.

[asr]

Is it just me, or does Infusion run slower than most SLCs? When I watched the POV, it looked slow, and sure enough, when I watched this POV of Mind Eraser at SFNE, it looks alot faster then Infusion.

 

Also, I had a thought. The parks who buy B&M coasters are big parks, that can afford top-notch maitnence. Most parks that buy Vekoma are small parks that can't. And when B&Ms are not maintained well, they supposedly get very rattly. So perhaps it is mostly a maitnence thing? After all, Vekomas supossedly tend to be smooth in their first year.

[RollerC]

Is it just me, or does Infusion run slower than most SLCs? When I watched the POV, it looked slow, and sure enough, when I watched this POV of Mind Eraser at SFNE, it looks alot faster then Infusion.

 

Also, I had a thought. The parks who buy B&M coasters are big parks, that can afford top-notch maitnence. Most parks that buy Vekoma are small parks that can't. And when B&Ms are not maintained well, they supposedly get very rattly. So perhaps it is mostly a maitnence thing? After all, Vekomas supossedly tend to be smooth in their first year.

I mentioned that about Thunderhawk at GL in the thread earlier. It's turning 10 next year and it's still smooth as it was when it first opened. If the park takes good care of them, they will operate smooth...but if the park treats it like crap...then it turns into a Six Flags SLC.

[asr]

Is it just me, or does Infusion run slower than most SLCs? When I watched the POV, it looked slow, and sure enough, when I watched this POV of Mind Eraser at SFNE, it looks alot faster then Infusion.

 

Also, I had a thought. The parks who buy B&M coasters are big parks, that can afford top-notch maitnence. Most parks that buy Vekoma are small parks that can't. And when B&Ms are not maintained well, they supposedly get very rattly. So perhaps it is mostly a maitnence thing? After all, Vekomas supossedly tend to be smooth in their first year.

I mentioned that about Thunderhawk at GL in the thread earlier. It's turning 10 next year and it's still smooth as it was when it first opened. If the park takes good care of them, they will operate smooth...but if the park treats it like crap...then it turns into a Six Flags SLC.

 

Yeah, thats what I was thinking, but my main thought was, if a small park managed to buy a B&M, and maintained it badly, I wonder if it could get pretty rough? Some B&Ms even in larger parks get pretty rough (Mantis and Batman: The Dark Knight come to mind), so what could a small park that couldn't pay for excellent maintnence like a bigger park could do to a B&M? Would it still be silky smooth like most of them, or would it get rough like older, badly maintained Vekomas do? Although I do sorta doubt that would happen. I mean, the big price tags have to be for a reason.

[WillMontu]

When it comes to SLC maintenance, the one at Wild Adventures is considered to be one of the smoothest, but it's still an SLC, and pales in comparison to the B&M inverted coasters we have down in Florida (and the fact that the whole thing shakes isn't always a sign of quality). Same goes for other places. Kumali is/was 'smooth as a baby's bum', but still not quite as smooth as Nemesis.

[californiascreamer1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkgt2ovWiw8&mode=related&search=

 

Off ride footage

 

 

A much better POV!

[Reon]

It actually looks fun once you see the fountains and such..I'd ride it if I ever went to England.

[RollerC]

This ride proves that SLC's are just as popular as B&M Inverts. It's just Enthuestiests that start the negativity.

[mudvayneimn]

I can think of a couple Vekoma's that are better than B&M's (Flying Dutchmen Clones, and Superman: Ultimate Flights). But since you've come to your senses I won't poke at you anymore.

 

I love Infusion's colors, and it actually looks like fun!