Notre Dame is Over Rated

[BeemerBoy]

Oh well...at least neither the PAC-10 or the SEC are as weak as the Big East or the ACC (Where a team that was 8-5 last year is the defending champion).

 

Well, I can't particularly argue the ACC being weak recently, but considering the PAC-10 strong is like saying Notre Dame deserves it's own major network. Bogus. USC dominates the PAC-10. Joey, tell me one PAC-10 team over the past few seasons (during your run) that you were honestly worried about playing. You can't tell me you were actually concerned about losing to Oregon, Cal (although they put up a fight), Stanford, UCLA, Arizona, etc. Cmon now, I know you're proud of your team, and you'd like to think they had a challenging schedule, but face it, there's no reason to defend the PAC-10. It's no different than when Miami dominated the Big Least. The fact remained, that they'd beat anyone from any conference in their dominant years, but we never considered the Big Least strong by any means.

 

And after living in the heart of SEC country, I can honestly say I have a greater respect for this conference. It is, without a doubt, the toughest conference to play in. Year in, year out, they are the most competitive conference out there. If you go undefeated in the SEC, you really are worthy of a shot at the title...which is why it's unbelievable how Auburn got screwed a couple years ago.

 

EDIT: Okay, here's my suggestion. Take Texas, USC, UCLA, Oklahoma, OSU, CAL, Oregon, WSU, UW, ASU, Nebraska, and K-State and call it the Big West. Let the rest fend for themselves.

[ParkTrips]

For a conference that is overrated, the ACC managed to sent 8 teams to bowl games, winning 5. All 8 were winning teams compared to the SEC's 7 and the Pac-10's 5 (albeit with a smaller lineup than the other two) You won't get a national title out of the ACC this year but you will have 8 teams in contention again, beating the crap out of each other all year, wheras the PAC 10 had, what, 3 schools with winning records in-conference? Though I do agree with joey in that if anyone east of the rockies actually cared about the Pac 10 then they probably would be overrated. We don't care for a reason

 

If you want to talk overrated conferences talk the Big 12 or something.

[BeemerBoy]

For a conference that is overrated, the ACC managed to sent 8 teams to bowl games, winning 5.

 

And what were those bowl games? The Tampax Bowl, The Kleenex Bowl, The Toilet Bowl, etc.? Cmon Joe, to Elite programs like the ones we're generally talking about here, there's only one bowl that matters....whichever is hosting the championship. To the majority of CFB fans, there's the 4 BCS bowls, and then there's everyone else who's just happy to be invited to a bowl. And remember, the ACC's representative for a BCS bowl last year was a 4 loss team...just due to the system.

 

And yes, the BIG 12 is only slighty above the PAC-10, which is why I propose taking the biggest names of each, and starting the "Big West."

[ParkTrips]

So I guess I can blame your "school"s inability to do anything against LSU as a reason the ACC is weak?

 

SEC = overrated since 1964

[BeemerBoy]

^ If that works for you. It surely didn't help the conference's image any.

 

SEC = overrated since 1964

 

I'm dying to hear this theory.

 

 

Scott "Joe, I'll get your avatar ready for 10/28" B.

[ParkTrips]

duh... that's when Tech left the SEC.

[stingrock23]

Thank you Beemer Boy, for shedding more light on the weak Pac-10. Only one team, USC, would have a chance to beat the top 5 or 6 SEC teams. Hell, the 5th best SEC team (Ten) just killed the 2nd best Pac-10 team in Cal.

[Jew]

^Need I remind you that both Oregon State and ASU gave LSU all they could handle in the last two seasons. Had Oregon State not missed three kicks, LSU most likely would have lost. I guess in the SEC that counts as not having a chance since you guys are so used to close games between mediocre and slightly above average teams, but really...

 

Or better yet, wasn't Auburn the "best" team in the SEC at the beginning of the year when USC made them their bitches at Auburn.

 

 

If you go undefeated in the SEC, you really are worthy of a shot at the title...which is why it's unbelievable how Auburn got screwed a couple years ago.

 

They also played the Citadel that year. I understand the reason schools do it (it'seasy money plus a free win...unless you're Colorado), but how the hell can you expect pollsters to respect you if you do that?

 

Scheduling IAA is something the SEC is notorious for. Along with being afraid to play bigtime out of conference road games (at least they have been trying to get better in that regard...). And did I mention the horrible offenses most of those teams feature? Oh sorry, I mean "great defenses" in "hostile stadiums" where its tougher to play because of the "punishing humidity."

 

I think it says a lot about the conference when the team USC obliterated 70-17 last season managed to BARELY lose to LSU and Georgia that same year...

 

 

Truth be told, I think all conferences are pretty much the same. A powerhouse program or two, a couple of decent teams that usually have potential they can never live up to (and contend every few years they can actually come close to living up to that potential), a couple of average teams that live off their past and simply recruit well so voters are fooled into voting them into the top 25, and a couple of bottom dwellers. So I'm tired of hearing how awesome the SEC is, when it is just like any other major conference (except the Big East...they just suck).

[mcjaco]

Truth be told, I think all conferences are pretty much the same. A powerhouse program or two, a couple of decent teams that usually have potential they can never live up to (and contend every few years they can actually come close to living up to that potential), a couple of average teams that live off their past and simply recruit well so voters are fooled into voting them into the top 25, and a couple of bottom dwellers. So I'm tired of hearing how awesome the SEC is, when it is just like any other major conference (except the Big East...they just suck).

 

And there you have it. I'm in total agreement on this one. Personally, I don't think there's enough talent to make every program in a conference a powerhouse, let alone make the conference the "be all" conference of the nation. Of course, this is coming from someone that attended a school with no football program, so what do I know?

[Movieguy]

My interpretation of the ND fight song...*ahem*

 

"Cheer, cheer for old Notre Dame!

Old Notre Dame's become oh-so lame!

We can't win for anything,

but we still get to play on NBC!

 

'Cause we've got tradition, oh yes!

And a cool song that sticks in your head!

Even though we suck big time,

You can still see us plastered on SI!"

 

But hey, give them some credit...they're the only college team in the North that anyone gives a damn about, in a sport that's usually dominated by Southern teams.

[BeemerBoy]

EDIT: Miami sucks.

 

Scott "actually wanted Miami to kick out Arkansas, and reside in the SEC" B.

[ParkTrips]

ya know.. for all that crap you are saying about the ACC sucking... five of their teams (Florida State, Clemson, VaTech, UNC and.. oh yea, GaTech) have beaten Miami since they joined the conference two season ago. Oh, and they have no division titles. They haven't even had a CHANCE to play for the conference championship. But oh, the ACC sucks.

 

I guess if they joined the SEC they'd be lucky to get the toilet bowl [or whatever else you mentioned above] after getting stomped into mediocrity in the "powerful" SEC. How about you dominate us like FSU did in the mid-to-late 90s before talking down against your own conference, thanks.

 

 

 

btw.. still laughing that y'all lost to UNC.. and GaTech... and both teams suck. Just ask Joey

[BeemerBoy]

^ Wait, I never said Miami deserved to win any of those games. In fact, I've never made any excuses for Miami sucking since they joined. But in defense of my "ACC has been weak" argument, how have FSU, GT, Clemson, UNC, and VT faired in National Championship contention over that same period? See my point? Just because they beat down a less than stellar Miami squad doesn't make the conference that much better, does it?

 

The difference in all this is that I can look at the whole picture rationally, and not just with my heart.

 

Scott "Miami has sucked recently, see I admit it again" B.

[ParkTrips]

So, basically, I can blame Miami? COOL I have NO problem doing that.

 

I never implied that you think Miami should have been doing better but the fact is that I don't think any team or anybody has the right to say a conference is weak when they aren't dominating it.. or even winning it.

 

To me, the definition of a good conference, like the SEC, is competitiveness - NOT beating up on Stanford and Washington while facing little challenge in your conference (I'm talking about USC if you didn't figure it out) . The Big XII used to be like that, but has really declined in the last couple of years - yet even their winner can beat USC

 

The fact that a UNC or Clemson can take out a Miami or Florida State any year, to me, shows that the ACC at least has some depth. Its not the best conference, but it sure as hell ain't weak.

 

The difference in all this is that I can look at the whole picture rationally, and not just with my heart.

so basically you are saying I am blind here because my school is in the ACC. yea, whatever. I'm not here to say that its the best conference, but we certainly are no push-over. sorry you don't have the Big East to roll over to the BCS anymore. At least I respect my team's opponents, and at least my school has won an ACC title

[BeemerBoy]

The fact that a UNC or Clemson can take out a Miami or Florida State any year, to me, shows that the ACC at least has some depth.

 

Or that the only two perennial powerhouse teams are slumping. Depends how you look at it.

Also, you can still say the conference is weak, even if your team is part of the current reason why.

 

 

The difference in all this is that I can look at the whole picture rationally, and not just with my heart.

so basically you are saying I am blind here because my school is in the ACC. yea, whatever.

 

Sorry you took it that way. It wasn't necessarily meant to be aimed at you, Joe.

 

At least I respect my team's opponents, and at least my school has won an ACC title

 

See, where I'm from, conference titles don't mean much. You gotta forgive me on that one.

 

EDIT: Wait, why am I arguing this stuff? I told myself I'd just drink a beer and just watch it from now on.

[mcjaco]

I told myself I'd just drink a beer and just watch it from now on.

 

Now you're talking! You should of all gone to a school without a football program, all we did was drink and watch whatever game was on!

[ParkTrips]

but my school DOESN'T have a football program...

[Sir Clinksalot]

So I assume this is the college football thread then:

 

New AP Top 10

 

1. Ohio State

2. Notre Dame

3. Auburn

4. USC

5. West Virginia

6. LSU

7. Florida

8. Texas

9. Florida State

10. Georgia

 

I'll give credit where it's due with Notre Dame. They beat a semi-good Penn State team over the weekend. But still ... #2???

 

Fox's top 10 (which IMO is more accurate except I do think Ohio State should be #1)

 

1. USC

2. Ohio State

3. Auburn

4. LSU

5. Florida

6. Notre Dame

7. Texas

8. Florida State

9. Tennesee

10. Michigan

[Scaparri]

Wow, Michigan is tearing Notre Dame a third poop chute. They already tore them a second one and it's not even half time. At this rate, ND should have five by the end of the game. One for each quarter.

[Jew]

Told you so.

[TheStig]

Its funny, Im a Michigan fan, my mom went to Notre Dame, my coach kept braggin about how ND was going to beat Michigan (and even flew up to watch the game) and Im sitting here laughing at them all. Go blue kids, go blue.

 

Colin C

[ParkTrips]

Can I change my avatar now? I hate supporting a losing team... like 90% of Irish fans

[dandaman]

That was good fun had by all, 'cept Irish fans.

 

I was at my friend's house at kick-off, but we went to do something else after about midway through 1st quarter. We flipped on the TV just before halftime, half in shock, half in amazement.

 

Dan "Go Blue!" Smith

[mcjaco]

Ug, my wife is a Michigan fan (I'm an ND fan) and we went to her parent's house to watch the game in HD. I'm wondering if was uglier in HD???? I haven't heard the end of this all weekend long....

[Jew]

Just to recap...

 

1. Brady Quinn sucks under pressure.

2. The ND secondary is still painfully slow.

3. ND still has no pass rush from their front 4.

4. 47-21.

 

I love it.