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^It came down to the flyers versus me getting another credit before the park closed because the line was so long, so I sadly missed the flyers (and the wild mouse credit at that).

Really? From a personal perspective I think this looks more fun than MIB. I didn't think MIB was that amazing, I'm just not a big fan of shooting dark rides. However, I really liked the "Pirates" ride at DisneyQuest and I think this looks like a pretty good attraction. I guess that just goes to show how different guests will have different tastes. With that said, was this what I expected? Absolutely not. I'm not making excuses for the ride, because it would appear that the ride seriously lacks the immersive experience that Disney rides are known for. (but then again I haven't ridden it yet, so this is speculative) Kind of off topic, but you had to lower your expectations for Everest? My only complaint with Everest was that I thought the ride time was too short, which in a way can be viewed as a compliment to the Imagineers. All just my opinion though, and I completely agree with your statement that Disney should be leading the competition rather than following.

^ That just made my night. I remember when people used to bring shopping bags (I think it was Belks?) to the Florida v Florida State game. Then this year there was the whole ordeal with FSU getting a bunch of players suspended for cheating on online tests. Trust me, athletes can get a lot of help when they ask for it, and it can sometimes walks a fine line between tutoring and cheating. How they got caught for it is beyond me, because that really takes talent. (...and just to clarify, I don't cheat in school. I'm just saying that I know it can sometimes be easier for athletes, but that's sort of off topic)

Wow, what a B!tchy thing to say. Who are you to call them unreasonable anyways?

I love Premier coasters, I hope this thing turns out to be as fun as it looks. It seems to me to be sort of the wild card of HRP.

^^haha, that's funny you noticed that, I hook it up to my laptop sometimes to play movies on. ^Hey now I get the Clemson stuff free so I'm not about to be turning anything down. You should check out my custom Clemson Nikes, holler!! Umm, I beg to differ. B&M Stand Ups may have longer dispatch times than normal sit-down coasters, but they shouldn't take 5-7 minutes to move one train out of the station.

^Oh hell no, Bama doesn't know what's up. (that is, unless I go there, in which case that could be a confusing game). As for schools in the Southeast, I grew up in Gainesville, which means I have a hatred for FSU, Tennessee, Georgia, and South Carolina (ok, I just reeeeaaallllly hate South Carolina). G-Tech would be awesome except for they don't offer my major, so that's out of the picture. Auburn and Alabama both look like schools, and football is definitely a plus for me, but I think if I go to either of them it will come down to the money. I'm just slutty like that. Our athlete's weight room has a sign over the door that says "Did you train hard enough to beat (insert next football game)", so I used to pass by an Alabama sign every day after working out and I always kind of laughed about it since I recently applied there. p.s. Alabama got dominated by Clemson in Men's Swimming last year. I know everybody cares a lot about that, haha....

I currently go to Clemson on an athletic scholarship. I REALLY like the school, but I am so tired of swimming 500's, 1000's, and miles, waking up at 5am every day, and just generally being restricted in my social life. I can't stay at Clemson without my scholarship, so I may transfer somewhere else for the fall. I want to stay in the Southeast, so I've applied to Auburn and Alabama, and the option to go to school in Florida is always there since I would get in state tuition. Who knows, I might stay at Clemson, it's such a great place when swimming isn't in season.

^haha, I know I'm sorry. I thought about calling you, but I thought you'd just laugh at me when I dropped the Dixieland name. ^^It's a pretty easy stop if you guys are ever driving down to Florida. It's also probably about 30 minutes or so from SFOG (although I may be a little off on that since I'm not from Atlanta).

^Thank you for the education Last update: Dixieland Fun Park!! So if you read the first post in the thread, you'd know that I am working for the City of Gainesville (Rock City), FL for the summer. Well I actually started working on Monday, but this TR is from Sunday when I moved from South Carolina down to Florida. I think one day I was bored and on rcdb and I found out that Georgia has a coaster that is just south of Atlanta, so I decided to stop and get a new credit! I had no idea what I was in for. This park.... wow. Yeah, umm..... see page 1..... Thanks everybody for reading and commenting! Have a great summer coaster season! I found my way back to I-75 for the thrilling drive between Atlanta and Gainesville. My thoughts exactly... Alright Dixieland, it's time for me to roll out. Thanks for the $6.50 credit. The straight sections were really fun, the turns.... not so much.... The turns were actually more just awkward and slow rather than rough or painful This little thing packed some pretty good airtime! Hey! This ride was actually pretty fun. It's at least just as fun as anything they have at Wild Adventures. Side note: I've never been on a coaster that makes you enter through a picnic pavillion before. Ok, enough screwing around. It's time for me to conquer the Scream'n Eagle Random flat ride. This place was pretty much a carnival that doesn't move. I didn't see this running today, and it looked pretty much closed down. I assume it only runs during Dixieland's "bring your lawyer to the park with a video camera" promotion. What?!?! There are fish in there? Let me just walk away now... Bridge walk and feed the fish? huh, lets check this out... Ooh look, Dixieland features TWO credits. What?!?! Dixieland charged me $1.50 for this $1.00 ticket!! I am outraged!! Hah! I found you! I went up and asked to buy one ticket and the lady laughed at me because she thought I was kidding. I don't play games. I came for the credit. The zip-line in action The zip-line tower is centerpiece of the park, so it's kind of like the Cinderella's Castle of Dixieland... The zip line was probably the most popular ride in the park, it actually looked kind of fun Walking down the paved midway of sunny death we can see a couple of the larger flats. (no this isn't a Cedar Fair park, they clearly don't have enough trash cans) It costs $5 to park at Dixieland, but that price comes with two free tickets. It costs three tickets to ride Scream'n Eagle, so I'm off to find another ticket! Good thing I'm not leaving anything valuable in my car. Besides my tv, computer, stereo, autographed guitar, and half of my clothes of course. I found the parking lot and it's lookin classy... Oh yes... I can tell this park is going to be a winner already. Awesome landscaping btw A picture of Scream'n Eagle from the road to the parking lot... Welcome to Dixieland Fun Park everybody! Wait, I think I found it! Holy crap! Free standing Panda Expresses do exist!!! Well I think I found the exit, so I'm just driving through the land of endless traffic lights in hopes of finding a coaster STUPIDSTUPIDSTUPID!!!!! I completely forgot about the downtown repaving project, you can usually just blow through downtown on a Sunday. Well, there goes an hour of my day... Since all of the computer labs at Clemson were closed, I couldn't print out any directions since I don't have a printer. The only way I could remember how to get there was from downtown, so I skipped the 285 bypass... I didn't leave Clemson till about 11 since Dixieland didn't open until 1, so I stopped at the Mall of Georgia to get some lunch Driving away as fast as I can for fear of having to take more final exams.... Goodbye student ghetto housing! I'll miss you!

^^I really liked Silver Bullet, I think my least favorite B&M invert was by far Alpengeist. I guess people just have different tastes, although I will say that I thought the final wing-over was a little rough on Afterburn which subtracted some points for me. haha, and yeah Hershey had their Setpoint thingy open when I went, but I opted for more rides on Storm Runner. ^BorgHawk was fun, but I didn't like it as much as a S:UF for a few reasons. The restraints were less comfortable, the ride was jerky, the corkscrews were sort of rough, and some of the transitions were awkward. Oh wait, I just described half of Vekoma's coasters... Thanks for the comments everybody, I'll get the final park up either later tonight or in the morning. It's a class act you don't want to miss...

Thanks for the comments guys, and I will try not to disappoint you Scott with this Carowinds TR. For the past two years I have lived about 2 hours away from Carowinds and just haven't made the trip over there to check it out, when you live about an equal drive away from SFOG and Dollywood it's just hard to get excited to go visit a Cedar Fair park. Well I had a couple of free days between the end of my final exams and my move to Florida, so I decided to go and check out this North/South Carolina park. I was originally going to do Ghost Town in the Sky on this day because it was their first day of the season, but since Cliffhanger was still going to be closed I decided to put off that trip for the fall. Carowinds has to be one of the most annoying parks I've ever been to; the operations sort of reminded me of Six Flags America's. Every single ride was stacking like crazy (except for BorgHawk which was only running one train) and the teens were just out of control. I think Six Flag's approach of attracting families rather than just a bunch of teens has been a really good move in making their parks more enjoyable, because Carowinds was just overrun with all these kids who had this "I can do whatever I want" attitude. The park was plagued with line jumpers and just overall obnoxious behaving guests that seemed to be ripping the park apart. Oh... and this was on a Friday when school was supposed to be in session. I would hate to see this place on a weekend or in the summer. Before adding anything major, I think this park could really do with taking out a few attractions to make the place less cluttered and improving operations to make the park more efficient. They should also take some money out of their annual trash can budget to clean up their queues and put some shade into the ones that don't have any. Anyways, I'll continue my whining in the form of photos.... Thanks for reading! ...one more park still to come, and it blows all these other parks out of the water!! Well that's it for my day at Carowinds! It was sort of rough, but if I was ten years younger I would think it was fun... The line for this was really long when I passed by earlier, but I got "lucky" enough to get a walk-on ride on the last train of the day I'm not a big fan of shooting dark rides. Scooby Doo is supposed to be about solving mysteries, but the ride was just a bunch of random monsters and targets. Two front row rides and a back row ride in about 30 minutes. Niiiiice. The park was going to close in less than an hour so I decided to get some walk-on Afterburn rides I have to admit that I've never been on a purple woodie before... Next I did the Fairly Odd Coaster. It was really fun for a family coaster! Batwing was closed when I went to SFA, so this was my first Vekoma flyer credit. The loop was awesome, but I still prefer the B&M flyers... Here's a shot of the aquatrax site from Nighthawk's line The GP goes crazy for flyers, so the line got really long in a really short period of time. Running one train on a really popular ride that has a slower than normal loading time makes no sense to me. It was a four train wait for me, which was still about 20+ minutes. However, the ride broke down for a couple hours and they emptied the queue. Right as I was walking by they re-opened the ride, so I essentially got a free pass on the line I got extremely lucky with Nighthawk. They were only running one train, plus dispatch time was really slow, so the line looked to be about 2+ hours all day. Ok, next coaster... The ride had some fun moments though. The corkscrew not being one of them... The fact that the queue is built in direct sunlight, kids were running through the grassy area to line jump, and they were dispatching a train about once every five minutes kind of got on my nerves after a while. Plus, they were stacking the trains like crazy. So after standing in the sun to wait to get on the ride, you had to stand in the sun to wait to get off the ride.... First of all, this was easily the worst B&M I've ever been on, but that's not the point. Ugh. The epitome of what was wrong with this park. Didn't ride Drooop Tower. Moving on... Hurler wasn't great by any stretch of the imagination, but it did surprise me with how fun it turned out to be. The first drop was pretty fun, and the ride had some decent airtime. The queue in in the middle of the ride's structure. I had no idea, but apparently the rafters around the queue are made for kids to climb up and down when they get bored from waiting. It was rough, but it was pretty fun at the same time. Hurler came up next This is from a series of air gate POV shots I was taking while waiting for them to start moving the trains. The cyclone ops thought they were in an action movie or something, they kept moving in slow motion. Thank God they had plenty of trash cans in the station, I was really worried that there weren't going to be enough... Yeah, it was pretty rough... Cyclone was up next. ouch There's some cunstruction going on in between Nighthawk and Goldrusher. I'm going to assume it's an aquatrax until proven otherwise. This helix/tunnel section was fairly intense for a family coaster I think this is my new favorite Arrow mine train, it was a pretty fun ride I think they should put this sign in the Vortex station. I did Goldrusher next. I missed the one up at Hershey too. I guess Setpoint rides just don't like me, although I wasn't really expecting this to be open. Closed. A lot of the park is pretty well landscaped, they should get rid of this thing and put in something that looks nice Closed. It looked like they were doing some work on the lift. In case you forgot, this is now a Cedar Fair park B&M inverts are just so good it's unfair. I think this is my 3rd favorite invert behind Montu and DD-Fire. Who am I kidding though? They can stack the trains all they want, but Afterburn is still awesome. The station was kind of a mad house with line jumpers and stacked trains. When I came back at the end of the day the crew was running the ride without stacking though, so props to them. The line wasn't very long, but I would really be ok with the idea of covering the queue. I'm not sure what those little umbrella things are supposed to do, but I can't imagine this is a fun line to wait in during the crowded summer season. I decided to get my AfterDeck: The Jet Coaster credit first. I could fill up a book with all of the dumb things people around the park were saying about the name changes btw. I guess there was some big golf tournament going on in Charlotte. The parking lot seemed to be almost at capacity and there were lots of busses that were taking people from the park to to tournament. They parked me back by Afterburn, but they didn't have the back gate open for whatever reason, so I was in for a long hike before I even got into the park. After a couple years of avoiding it, I finally made it over to Carowinds Wait, I'm heading away from Georgia and I see this. What is up with people in the south and peaches???

The last few days have been crazy so I haven't really found the time to update this. I am now posting from Florida, but for the purpose of this thread just pretend that I'm still in Clemson. Anyways, here is my TR from Lake Winnie. Most of you probably saw Scott's (Beemerboy's) TR from the day (if you haven't then go look at it and vote for yellow). This was a really fun little park and I had an awesome time with Scott, Shannon, and Joe (who showed up a little bit late because he was trying to save the planet for earth week). Anyways, the photos speak for themselves, so here are mine. One last picture taken from my Fly-O-Plane. Thanks to Scott, Shannon, and Joe for hanging out and thanks to you for reading! Carowinds coming up next Here you can see pretty much the entire layout. I think we ended up riding about four times, give or take So to finish up this TR here are some more pictures of The Cannon Ball It also goes right over the Boat Chute You can check out most of the park from up here We did the chairlift that takes you over the lake and back Shannon and Scott on the slide. Joe didn't know what sort of fire he was going up against, I took him down dispite my bad start. We didn't ride this today. But neither did anybody at Magic Mountain. For all of you oldschool fans out there... Well at least Shannon has the right idea Come on you guys, we're going to be on this thing for a while, look more excited!! We rode this. It was fun. Moving on. Goodbye Boat Chute.... The drop for the boat chute Wake me up when we get to the other side... In case you didn't notice, the boat chute is built into the lake It makes a decent sized splash, but you don't get that wet which is a plus The loading platform feeds right into the tunnel of boredom Unless you count the awesome Boat Chute! We're heading back over to the other side of the lake which doesn't have any coasters Ok, moving on.... We rode it four or five times, by the end of the day it wasn't *that* bad Much better. No, No, this is all wrong... As Scott mentioned in his TR, I'm really not fond of drop towers. *Shudders* Now check out that yellow plane, remember that it's spinning, and then realize that there are no OTSR's. Sweet ride, but a little bit uncomfortable. This is what you use to make your plane get out of control Your Fly-O-Plane awaits... These planes spin around in a pretty standard fashion This has to be one of the strangest/coolest flats ever. Their swings are placed right up against the lake which was pretty cool. I haven't done bumber cars in the longest time, but man did we get a little bit competitive in there. I kind of wish I could drive like this all the time Nevertheless, we were really scared... Next up was CASTLE!! This dark ride features random areas of prolonged darkness, a gangster skeleton, a spinning sewer tunnel, and a drunk driver. So I'm not really sure what anything in there has to do with a castle.... Woohoo! Whorin it up! Ok, so maybe not so much "bigger" or "better", but certainly another credit! We rode it once, and then moved on to bigger and better things Next up was the mouse. I thought it was pretty average, but apparently I got lucky enough to catch it on a good day This was really enjoyable coaster, it's worth the trip to Lake Winnie if you're ever in the area Some lift hill porn... Now presenting the best wooden coaster in Georgia (besides Cheetah of course) So naturally I headed to the back of the park to get all my credits. So yeah, I think I've established that this post will be about Lake Winnie... I left Clemson around 9:30 and got to Lake Winnie around 12:30, so it wasn't that bad of a drive. I always pass this billboard on I-85 in between Clemson and Atlanta. It bugs me because that's the Gainesville area code, and there are only two of these. Just strange placement I guess

Scream'n Eagle- Dixieland Fun Park haha, what a high class establishment

Rugrats Runaway Reptar at Carowinds

Is it a "Jet Coaster"?

Last night I filed up for $3.26 off the interstate in between Charlotte and Clemson, probably somewhere around Greenville. That's the cheapest I've seen gas in a long time, so I thought it was worthy of a post

^Vampire Weekend has been playing on MTV recently, so I'm sure plenty of people know them. I think they're ok, but their sound just doesn't really do it for me.

^On their Myspace it says Christian/Club, so I guess they identify that way. I didn't really pick up on it when listening to their music, but they are really big on putting crosses everywhere so I guess it makes sense. In my opinion they're pretty good, but that's just not really my genre of music so I don't have too strong of an opinion on Daft Punk vs. Justice.

I'm cleaning my house out right now for the end of the school year, but I wish I still had my calendar so I could check. I think that's the day we were there, since I came back to Atlanta a few days later for a show at Masquerade that was the first week in April. Too bad we didn't know you were there or else you could have come freeze to death with us!

Ok, here's my second update: Six Flags Over Georgia. I live less than two hours away from downtown Atlanta and about two hours away from the park, so I usually make to SFOG multiple times a year. The day in the report was actually the day after Bike Mike and all of those guys visited the park. A cold front had moved in the day before and so for the entire day it was windy and in the low 40's. That might not seem cold to some of you, but I'm from Florida so just believe me when I say that it was really cold that day. Joe/ParkTrips was with me today, and he's with in having zero cold tolerance. As the result of the park being so cold, I really didn't linger around to take a lot of photos, so most of these were just taken in passing. With that said, it was a really fun day where we pretty much had the park to ourselves, so turn on your air conditioner full blast, make some hot chocolate, and enjoy the pictures. Bye Goliath! Until next time! So that was pretty much it for the day, hope you enjoyed the photos The airtime coming off of this turn is insane, probably the best part of the ride Cyclone is fun at the top of every hill, but not so much at the bottom Again... clearly the cold was making an impact on our judgement I love Scorcher, it's such an awesome compact B&M We moved up to the front of the park to ride Scorcher. p.s. I've always liked this sign We rode "E Rattle & Roll" so that we could get inside. I had never ridden it before, so this was my first random trip on the wild side Perverts... "I think I just instantly got sick" It looked like I was crying through the ride because my eyes were so watery. This was the one day in history that a front seat ride on Goliath was worse than our rides on Ninja or Cyclone Well I mean there was no wait so why not? Let's take a front seat ride on Goliath in the 40 degree wind!! And then came the worst idea of the day... I've always liked the big logo in the station Batman was fun. Obviously. It also got some spiffy new paint. Joe said it looked a little more "lime", but I wasn't dorky enough to notice Mindbender was awesome, but the brakes before the second loop were on pretty hard that day. We stopped by the Gotham area to get a solid dose of positive G's. Monster Plantation POV!!!! OMG!!! Lets be honest, it's not a trip to Six Flags unless you take a trip on Monster Plantation. For Real. Thrilling Thomas Town contruction photos, hopefully they've gotten a lot more done by now Woohoo for Wheelie!! It's my favorite flat in the park, so we took a ride. To be honest it wasn't really that bad today, although maybe I'm still going off of Wild Adventure's standards Take it all in Eurotrippers, you guys are going to be in France before you know it. Goudirix isn't as friendly as Ninja.... Clearly the cold was taking its toll on our judgement... Did GASM. It was fun. Hooray for GASM. In typical Superman fashion it was a good time, it makes me want Sea World to get moving on their flyer So we went to the back of the park and took a ride on gloomy Superman. We didn't take a spin on SFOG's really fun family coaster today, but it still deserves a courtesy shot Just stare at it and be nerdy, take all the time you need.... See.... Splashwater falls, the rapids ride, and Skull Island were empty today (although they usually don't open Skull Island until summertime anyways) Ok, lets just talk about this one. It's cold as hell, Atlanta has been in a serious drought that has caused SFOG to close all of its water rides, yet today they feel like running the log flum would be a fun idea.... They closed it by the time we left though because nobody was riding it If you hate Goliath, then you hate America. If you hate America, then you are a terrorist. Goliath has this large helix turnaround outside the park, but you probably already knew that.... Goliath's first drop in all of its insane amounts of coolness... This is an airtime hill, some people like them... So we got the day started in style. We rode in the back row and it was pretty much your typical Goliath awesomeness I hope I'm in the right place.... What's that I see off in the distance? As you can see from the looks of downtown, the day was pretty gloomy and cold. It was overcast in the low 40's with lots of wind.... Lets go ride some coasters!!!

I've had an on-campus house/duplex for the past two years. I have my own bedroom and I share a kitchen, living room, bathroom, and storage closet with a roommate. It's awesome because we can have a bunch of people over, my RA lives down the street and doesn't care what we do, and we can walk to class and football games. My neighbors are mostly swimmers and football players, and the rest of the neighborhood is mostly upperclassmen and grad students.

hmm, I never thought of putting a half pipe in that area, good call. I think if they played it right they could fit a family spinner or something else in that area. How dare you touch Monster Plantation.

^ hahaha, exactly. First, I didn't go to the park strictly for the purpose of posting a negative trip report, that's a lot of effort just to create a thread on TPR. No, there's not anything better to do in that area, especially when you're on a road trip just passing through the area. I didn't mean to come across as complaining, I was just reporting my day at the park with a bit of sarcasm. Wild Adventures is a park that is essentially built in swampy grasslands, there is no shade in the park and it needs some crucial landscaping. I am not lying when I saw that they have a train ride that circles an empty drainage pond with animals in them. Forget the rather bland line-up of rides, that may be one of the easiest things for Herschend to fix. It's going to take more than a few years to bring this park up to any sort of standards. Thanks everybody for posting you responses!

In order to further procrastinate from packing up my house or studying for my one remaining final exam, I have decided to create thread and throw together a trip report with some of the pictures I have taken this semester. I hope you guys enjoy it! So I’m starting off with the tail end of spring break. I got a beach house with some friends for a week in Florida, so it was pretty much your typical college student spring break. There were 15 of us piled into a house made for 8, so there were some fun times to be had down in the Sunshine State. Well I have a job for the summer with the City of Gainesville, so I split with my group at the end of break to go to Gainesville to fill out job paperwork and get drug tested for the 10,000th time this year. Since I was on my own for the drive from Gainesville to Clemson, I decided to stop at Wild Adventures for the afternoon on Easter Sunday. Well that was fun, SFOG will be posted up within a day or two. Thanks for reading! Time to head back up to Clemson for some more school and training VekomaBison say goodbye! I took a stop off at the Wild Mouse on the way out, it was pretty fun with a couple pops of airtime People at Magic Mountain can't do this The theming at this park is flawless, the rides just blend together so well I rode it three times just to be sure; I would have ridden it four times if I had wanted to die. "ouch-ouch-ouch-ouch-ouch" Did this really used to be smooth? It sure as hell wasn't today! What's this? Is it the mythical smooth SLC? Ok, seeing as this is Wild Adventures, the classiest place on earth, I just have to wonder about that last rule. Do they mean you can't physically be wet, or do they mean you can't be drunk? "I wish I lived at a Florida park" Well that was... umm... maybe I should just go back to my car.... Time to look around the park some more Please die. That is all. Cheetah is set back from the park and goes into the animal area. I wish I could have gotten a decent picture of the habitat on the other side of the coaster, seeing as it's built in an emptied drainage pond. Gerstlauer trains.... thanks for the bruise. If you look closely you can see that this portion was retracked. The new sections were actually pretty fun! Cheetah: "through the ugly metal supports" Oh dear.... here it comes... S&S Power Inc: “Wo d eader In le tical Amusenent des eop look to s pi” "Big" tower/Little tower There was one person riding this, and he was an employee. When I took a ride dispatch took about 15 minutes because they had to raise, lower, and check every single restraint three times before the thing would actually get going. I was there on the grand opening weekend for Wild Adventure's new ride, there was stuff all over the park promoting it. Apparently this thing came from the highly regarded Wild West World. Moving on to the other side of the drainage pond.... Vertical Loopage... Woohoo! A train with two people in it! It probably only took about ten minutes to dispatch! mmm.... sexy Vekoma track This one isn't that rough, although that can be said about pretty much any boomerang after you've been on the one over at Knotts... Look! A Vekoma over on the other side of the.... umm.... really bad smelling swamp Half of the coasters weren't even running today. Wild Adventures should have bought Deja Vu from Six Flags, it would have fit in perfectly... Hooray for roller skaters!!! Ant Farm Express is the first ride to welcome you to Vekomaland Wow, good thing I don't feel awkward walking around a completely empty park by myself... Wild Adventures... a poor man's IOA It looks like it's going to be a busy day at the park. South Georgia, regrettably located right between Gainesville and Clemson.... awesome. Leaving town, be back in May! I rolled through Gainesville Rock City to fill out my job paperwork. $10 an hr, 40-50 hours a week, now Erik knows where his tax dollars go... This is the house I stayed in over spring break. It looked like this for about 3 minutes, since 15 college students can be sort of messy