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Many were surprised to find that Frontier Forest did not make an announcement concerning a new ride or attraction for 1996, as the park has pledged to introduce something new every year. Opening day guests expected a small, unannounced addition to make an appearance, but this was not the case. The only changes for the 1996 season include one of the props from the Space Adventure Theater being removed to storage, as well as Haunted House not re-opening for the new season. he Haunted House is one of the lesser known attractions at the park. Originally introduced back in 1979 as temporary addition to draw crowds, the attraction has continued operation due to its popularity through the years. Unfortunately, in the Spring of 1996, the Haunted House remains standing, but not operating. The park has refused to comment on rumors concerning the future of park ownership/management, once again. 1995 attendance: 972,435 It isn't a good sign when the newest, tallest, fastest ride is a walk on, even with only one train to run The Haunted House, which, as of the Spring of 1996, remains standing, but not operating More walk-ons. This time, The Viking and Raging Rapids Last year, a replica fighter jet could be seen past the Space Adventure Theater, similar to the one on the queue canopy Something needs to change before the cash flow drops too low to operate. Attendance has dropped to new lows

^When the ride's warmed up, I think it sounds legitimate. The length of unbraked track is shorter than MF, so I don't see why 55 mph seems unreasonable.

Come the end of the summer, rumors from every source imaginable seem to make their way into the amusement world. This season at Frontier Forest is no different, although it is not regarding a new attraction at all. In fact, just the opposite. The latest product of the rumor mill regards two varying possibilities; neither of which have been confirmed or denied by the park. The first involves the GM stepping down, handing the keys to the person of his choosing. The second, and more interesting, involves the park (along with its sister park, Frontier Lake Park) being up for sale. "I cannot comment on that, but we are fully committed to ensuring the brightest possible future for Frontier Forest." In case you didn't know, the big news of the earlier part of the year was Mammoth- CCI's largest project to date The multi-million dollar simulator theater has proven a questionable investment The last truly groundbreaking attraction at the park may have been Coyote, one of the longest Arrow Suspended coasters. Almost seven years ago. With reduced operations (single train) and aging attractions, it almost seems inevitable that something needs to change Parts of the park don't seem to have a clear vision, such as the plot across from the classic Antique Cars Some rumors suggest Mammoth was only built as incentive to potential buyers, with attendance on pace to fall below 1 million this year

My physics teacher used to work at Kings Island back in the day (early-mid 80's), he said he worked on the Beast maintenance. He told the class each morning a coworker would walk the track and hammer in any loose nails, etc. *class* "That's why I don't go on roller coasters. How is that safe at all?!?"

This sounds very promising. Cautiously optimistic, but very excited.

^I can speak to a similar subject... my true home park is SFA, and I have a gold pass and visited ~8 times in 2014. I also made one trip to KD and about 5 visits to Great Adventure, two of which were back to back. To keep it short and to the point... yes. SFA does lose its luster. The ride line-up (and atmosphere... which for me is a part of it) cannot compare to that of Great Adventure. I'll ride every coaster once per visit, with the exceptions of Mind Eraser (once a year) and Superman (at least three per visit). What keeps me coming back is 1) I am fairly close to the park and 2) the park has been improving, and is generally a fun place to visit about once a month. With the recent additions the park has made, along with vast improvements in overall experience, there has been a bit more of a reason to stay for longer than just to get the credits. Apocalypse sucks, yes, but with two coasters and now two new flats since 2012, there is enough to keep me occupied for a good while. If corporate can finally take a risk with this park and spend more than about $3 million on a single ride, that would be huge for the park. A Skyscreamer would be the perfect step next year, IMO. As for Great Adventure, I find myself running out of time at the end of the day to do everything I want. I could easily go and ride El Toro all day long, and I'd be in heaven. Add Nitro, Kingda Ka, Batman and Bizarro (and now Zumanjaro and Skyscreamer), the luster is far from gone. I would like to branch out a little and visit some more parks though. I had three days at Cedar Point in 2014 which was absolutely incredible.

^Wait no this isn't a serious concept that could be built depending on cost. That's not even an option at all. It's just an idea that incorporates physics and g forces, not a serious intention as a way to die.

^Ive seen this story many times before. I imagine it would depend on how extreme the forces are. If they are unimaginably extreme, I'd assume to could be rather quick. Internal organs could rupture rather quickly, maybe even before you die due to lack of oxygen in the brain. Not a scientist, just thinking out loud.

It is finally time to unveil Frontier Forest's newest addition. Manufactured by Custom Coasters International, at a cost of $3 million, Mammoth utilizes the terrain of the land to dive under ground level five separate occasions, increasing the drop height and max speed. Reaching heights of 90 feet over more than 3,000 feet of track, Mammoth is the tallest, fastest, and longest coaster in park history. Mammoth operates with a single, 24 seat orange PTC train. The addition of Mammoth aligns with the park's 20th anniversary, along with the addition of The Viking in a new location, which originally debuted back in 1981. Pictures below, comments/criticism appreciated! New in 1995, Mammoth! Climbing to heights of 90 feet, Mammoth is the tallest roller coaster in the park! After a subterranean dive, Mammoth climbs into a negative-g airtime hill After a second hill and drop, Mammoth drops into a ravine and into a high speed turnaround (Raven, anyone?) The twister portion of the ride in the woods One more dive under ground level (with an on-ride photo) leads into a helix finale and brake run Overview of Mammoth, a modern twist on the out and back design, incorporating twister style elements and terrain usage The Viking made a return in a new location across from Coyote Mammoth celebrates Frontier Forest's 20th anniversary in 1995 opening to some of the best early season crowds in many years Overview from Spring, 1995

If I'm planning a trip to a park that requires some significant planning/travel/expense, I am looking to have the best park experience I can find. Justice League looks like a great ride, don't get me wrong. However, unless I am already well traveled and have been everywhere else I'd want to go before Six Flags St. Louis, I'm probably going to look elsewhere. For me to consider making a trip to the midwest from the east coast, the park would need some many more truly world class attractions that would make it worth the time, money, effort, and worthy of a visit over any other park that may offer a similar experience. SFStl would need some very significant investment to be worth going out of my way to make a visit. There simply isn't enough at the park to keep me occupied/pleased. Justice League looks like great fun, but this park needs much more than a very good dark ride to interest me.

I'd like to state my opinion on the potential of a dive coaster in 2016, as well as point out that many of these "reasons" some are saying why it wouldn't happen are not legitimate. 1) Gatekeeper was only two years ago, yes, but if $15 million is a legitimate figure, there's no reason why not. 2) There is no pool of money in a Cedar Fair bank account that is designated to specific parks each year. The parks that turn a higher profit can invest more capital, so Cedar Point would be at or near the top of the list. 3) Rougarou is not a new coaster, please stop saying "Cedar Fair usually waits four or more years." No. Stop. 4) Rougarou is a comparatively small investment to many other recent Cedar Point investments. I'd be shocked if the entire transformation touched $10 million. A major investment at smaller parks, not so for Cedar Point. Same for 2014. 5) Hotel Breakers renovations were built into the budget beforehand, furthering my point that 2015 is an off year. 6) It's Cedar Point. The same park that used to build a coaster practically every other year for a good while. At $15 million, I'm sure another CF would get a major coaster (if the project is even real). My $.02

Couldn't agree more.

^All is correct, but you get free parking at Breakers Express. If you're on a tight budget and dont need to sleep on the peninsula, you get what you need. It doesn't sound like you plan to take midday breaks or explore the hotel, so Breakers on the peninsula probably isn't necessary for the price, but it is a great experience from what I've heard. If budget isn't a big issue, go for it. Cedar Point is a hell of a lot of fun.

The advice I can give from my three day Cedar Point trip in August... For early entry, we stayed at Breakers Express. It's a good bit cheaper and you get all the benefits, but you don't get the full on site experience, if that's what you're looking for. Go through the Marina gate at opening. Short walk to Millennium, get one or two rides, then go to Maverick for one to two rides, then do what you choose at regular opening. This seems to be the best chance to get re-rides with no waits. Get at least one night ride on Millennium Force. Get in line at closing, wait it out. I was lucky enough for the last train of the night in row 18. That ride, in the last row at midnight, is my number one coaster experience of all time. It's not nearly as special during the day. Just make sure you get a Millennium night ride.

Maybe it's just me, but I think it looks kinda cool. With the urban, metallic, city sort of vibe around the better themed Batman clones, the wheels uncovered actually look pretty cool, if you ask me.

I appreciate the honesty here guys, thank you. So from what I'm gathering, it sounds like there are two sides to this. On one hand, the business side might turn me off from the "fun" side of parks, and I'm going in to it just because I think I could have fun being at a park, when in reality it is overly repetitive work that I am severely limited in advancing in due to the job itself and being 17 years old. Combine that with minimum wage and a potentially frustrating/difficult work environment, and it would simply be a waste of time. On the other hand, everybody has to start somewhere. Not saying I'll settle with a career in the industry at all, but this would be where to start out and gain some knowledge/understanding of the business side and dealing with people and work in general. If I make the best of it, work hard, and go in with a good attitude, who knows where I might end up. It could be a great way to start off, regardless if I continue the job the following summers. These are some good points, and I appreciate you guys want me to make an informed decision. In response to some of these, the minimum pay is not a huge deal to me. I'm 17, I don't pay my own bills (obviously I will eventually). I don't believe, however, that working at a park would turn me off from the "fun" side of parks otherwise. I've been to SFA many times, and I can see that most employees don't look all that enthusiastic about their job. It does kind of turn me off. But when I see the opposite end of the spectrum; the enthusiasm and the magic at other parks like Cedar Point, for example, my enthusiasm is through the roof. At the end of the day, I'm an enthusiast looking for a summer job. If working around my hobby is not a sound decision, then I won't do it. Not a huge deal. If working in the rides department isn't worth the time you have to put in and you don't get much out of it, maybe it isn't worth the 45+ minute drive to the park every however many days a week I work for $7.25/hour. That being said, I haven't made any sort of decision on this. I see the cons, I see potential pros. What it sounds like to me is there are more cons to this job relative to other entry level summer jobs that would be less of a pain and less strenuous. If you all think this is the case, there we go. I'll enjoy my time in parks taking in the rides and the atmosphere, not checking restraints.

Unless you're Cedar Point [attachment=0]cp 4 years.jpg[/attachment] Did Cedar Point install a big roller coaster in 2014? No. Did Cedar Point install a big roller coaster in 2015? No. Case in point. 2014/2015 are arguably even "off" years for Cedar Point. Unless three B&M floorless trains and maybe a couple million dollars of other ride enhancements is more than most would think, the last two years are not big investments by Cedar Point standards at all.

Thanks for all this. I am looking at working in rides, and I think I'm up for the challenge if it goes that way. Hmm. With all due respect, I don't know that I got anything out of this comment. A "fanboy" is probably the last word I would use to describe my situation. I'm looking for a summer job before college, and I don't want to be bored out of my mind. I find joy in amusement parks and roller coasters, so I don't see how a passion for a hobby would make me a bad employee. Greatly appreciated. As a general rule, I don't talk about theme parks or roller coasters unless someone asks, so I'm not worried about going in with an attitude that I know everything. I don't know anything about operating a park and I don't pretend to, but I would like to know more, which would come from working at one. As with any first "real" job, I would be starting from scratch, so I would do my best to learn the trade and ask questions. As for the working conditions, thanks for letting me know. Not a major concern for me, but I appreciate knowing what I'm in for. SFA in particular, although the summers aren't "unbearable," lacks trees/shade.

Recently asked a question in the ask Alvey thread. Has anyone here recently worked at SFA? Considering a summer job at the park, and I'd like to know how your experience was. I know it's not the best park to work at, but it's the closest one. Thoughts?

Hello everyone! Recently I began considering summer job opportunities, and naturally working at a park came to mind. For those that have experience or are knowledgeable, I have a few questions. As some background, I'm finishing my junior year of high school and my closest "major" park is Six Flags America (residence in northern VA, about a 40 minute drive). Pay is not a huge issue for me, I'm looking for a unique summer job experience. However, I'm not just looking to slack off while getting paid. -Have any of you worked at SFA? How was your experience? I had a friend who worked at the ticket booths and hated it. -What is the general work experience for relatively major park, particularly in the rides department? -Any other tips/info for me? I'm willing to work away from home, but SFA is an option as well. Kings Dominion is too far to drive from home for me. I can work from the end of June until the beginning of August away from home, or through August if I stay at home. Thanks for taking the time to read, really any information is appreciated! *edit: last resort, I have some family that's about 15 mins from Great Adventure. Is that a particularly good place to work that I should dedicate a summer there? I really enjoy that park, but if SFa is a similar experience I'd rather stay home.

I see what you're saying. My point is that I enjoy those coasters (Dragster and Kingda Ka) more so than most enthusiasts. Kingda Ka is my third favorite ride at Great Adventure (behind El Toro and Nitro).

^No. The 2015 Dive coasters use the old restraints.

I haven't been up to date on rumors for the supposed 2016 coaster, but with Cedar Point's rumored Dive coaster for 2016, as well as potential projects at Kings Dominion or Valleyfair, what's the current opinion on the 2016 project? Could the CF coaster budget be split among two, or even three parks next year?

A Larson Super Loop and a second set of flying scooters