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It's not that they don't have the money to fix up Space Mountain (and I'm not sure what more you wanted with Pirates).... it's that they're not willing to risk the loss in revenue from having Space or Pirates closed, because MK's attendance is more dependent on foreign or out-of-state tourists than Disneyland (which can afford to close certain attractions for longer periods of time without seeing the same effect on their attendance and hotel revenues).

^I don't really get what expanding Fantasyland has anything to do with Pirates or Space Mountain... They're not closing any major attractions for construction. How is expanding the most crowded area of the park a bad thing?

^More importantly... Will Snow White get a gravestone at the Haunted Mansion like Mr. Toad? DISCUSS!

During busy times Cinderella's Royal Table and the Crystal Palace are booked up way in advance; another full-service character dining experience will be a huge help to the other two restaurants. I'm pretty sure the demand is more than there to support this kind of dinner experience in the park. Plus, look at how many full service restaurants Epcot has, and they don't seem to have a problem supporting them all. MK pulls in bigger numbers than Epcot, and MK's character dining pretty much always requires a reservation, so IMO this is a sure win/profit for MK.

^^Really? I thought it was equally brutal both times. That ride is INSANE and has so much potential to be amazing, but it was just so rough and painful that it's sitting somewhere around Mean Streak and Son of Beast on my list; had it been smoother it'd probably be up with Ravine Flyer and Voyage. Here's my list for anyone who cares, haha ~"Andrew Cunningham" RANK THE FOLLOWING RIDING SENSATIONS <-LEAVE THIS LINE AS IS Abrupt Airtime_____________________________,y,y,1 Floating Airtime___________________________,y,y,2 Lateral Forces_____________________________,y,y,6 Out of Control Feeling/Directional Changes_,y,y,3 Positive G's/Loops_________________________,y,y,4 Sensation of Speed_________________________,y,y,5 COASTER NAME PARK LOC <--Please leave this El Toro SFGAd NJ,y,n,1 Ravine Flyer II Waldameer PA,y,n,2 The Voyage Holiday World IN,y,y,3 Boulder Dash Lake Compounce CT,y,n,4 Raven Holiday World IN,y,y,5 Thunderhead Dollywood TN,y,n,6 Tonnerre de Zeus Parc Asterix FR,y,n,7 Kentucky Rumbler Beech Bend KY,y,n,8 Terminator Salvatio S. F. Magic Mountain CA,y,y,9 Evel Knievel Six Flags St Louis MO,y,n,10 Prowler Worlds of Fun MO,y,n,11 The Legend Holiday World IN,y,y,12 Jack Rabbit Kennywood PA,y,n,13 Thunderbolt Kennywood PA,y,n,14 The Beast Kings Island OH,y,n,15 Twister Knoebel's PA,y,n,16 Lightning Racer - L Hersheypark PA,y,n,17 Lightning Racer - T Hersheypark PA,y,n,18 Racer Kennywood PA,y,n,19 Phoenix Knoebel's PA,y,n,20 Wildcat Frontier City OK,y,n,21 Cannonball Lake Winnepesaukah GA,y,n,22 Dania Bch Hurricane Dania Beach FL,y,n,23 Comet Hersheypark PA,y,n,24 Swamp Fox Family Kingdom SC,y,n,25 Wildcat Hersheypark PA,y,n,26 The Boss Six Flags St Louis MO,y,n,27 Screamin' Eagle Six Flags St Louis MO,y,n,28 Racer Kings Island OH,y,n,29 Comet Waldameer PA,y,n,30 Thunder Run Kentucky Kingdom KY,y,n,31 Grt Am Scrm Mach SFoG GA,y,n,32 Georgia Cyclone SFoG GA,y,n,33 Judge Roy Scream SFoT TX,y,n,34 Colossus S.F. Magic Mountain CA,y,y,35 Triple Hurricane(S) Cypress Gardens FL,y,n,36 Starliner (SBNO) Cypress Gardens FL,y,n,37 GhostRider Knott's Berry Farm CA,y,y,38 Thunderbolt SF New England MA,y,n,39 Cyclone SF New England MA,y,n,40 Roar SF America MD,y,n,41 Timber Wolf Worlds of Fun MO,y,n,42 Wildcat Lake Compounce CT,y,n,43 Cheetah Wild Adventures GA,y,n,44 Rattler Fiesta Texas TX,y,n,45 Hurler Carowinds NC,y,n,46 Rolling Thunder SFGAd NJ,y,n,47 Thunderhawk Dorney Park PA,y,n,48 Fairly Odd Coaster Kings Island OH,y,n,49 Fairly Odd Coaster Carowinds NC,y,n,50 Rebel Yell Kings Dominion VA,y,n,51 Hurler Kings Dominion VA,y,n,52 The Grizzly Kings Dominion VA,y,n,53 Texas Giant SFoT TX,y,n,54 Gwazi-Tiger Busch Gardens-Tampa FL,y,y,55 Gwazi-Lion Busch Gardens-Tampa FL,y,y,55 Mean Streak Cedar Point OH,y,y,57 Boardwalk Bullet Kemah Boardwalk TX,y,n,58 Son of Beast (SBNO) Kings Island OH,y,n,59 ------------------------------------------------0 <--Please leave this

This is probably the biggest disappointment for me as well. I wonder what they're going to do with those circus tents, they're included in the new concept art, but there's no mention of what will be in them in the press release. I'm sure it'll be tame, obviously it's Fantasyland and a major thrill ride wouldn't really fit there. I'm excited about this though, judging from the concept art and description I think it's a safe bet that we can expect a much more heavily themed ride that Barnstormer. Sure, it's going to be a family coaster, but it's also going to be partially enclosed with animatronics. It sounds like it'll be a heck of lot more charming and unique than just another Vekoma rollerskater, and way more exciting than a huge princess meet and greet area. With it being placed in one of the most traffic-heavy areas of Magic Kingdom, I'm interested to see how they'll handle capacity as well.

I think this is a big improvement on their original expansion plans. IMO they had too much princess crap and not enough for everyone else. It's a shame Snow White is getting the boot, but I'm excited that Disney is building a new coaster that (at least at this point) will be unique to Florida. Very cool!

I wonder if these trains will get Gwazi dueling again. The Millennium Flyer trains have faster dispatch times than the PTC trains, so could we see the return of consistent dueling?

^In my opnion, the two biggest factors in whether or not you're going to enjoy your program are 1) What's your job? and 2)Where and who you end up living with 1)You're in the College Program, so you need to go in accepting the fact that you're going to work a good amount of hours, many of which will be closing shifts. If you're ok working Quick Service Food till 1am or later many nights of the week, that's cool, but I wouldn't enjoy doing that. The CP takes a lot of people for attractions and merchandise, which are solid positions to start in, I'd just say avoid Custodial and Quick Service Food. Recreation is also really awesome and laid back, but they typically don't take too many CP's. 2)The apartments aren't great, but Chatham and Patterson aren't really that bad either. If you end up with a bad roommate, that sucks, but you can always transfer.

^As an Florida local who has had the opportunity to ride this several times, I have to say the experience can vary a TON. I've had great rides, and I've had really rough rides... it's really hard for me to rank Rockit because of that. However, I have to say that (and I believe this is true of Adam as well), one of the best rides I had on this coaster was when we were there with you guys in October 2009. So it makes sense that you loved it, cause honestly the first time you guys were there to ride it the thing was running AMAZING, which is good cause I still overall really like the ride. Stupid Rockit, it just gets really grumpy sometimes...

That was the problem with PI though, it was mostly employees that would go to the clubs and not spend money. I don't think PI was ever really too profitable, I thought that it was mostly losing money by the time they closed it. If you're a local in Orlando and you want to buy drinks, you go downtown where things are reasonably priced. Buying from the bars at Disney, if you're an employee, doesn't make much sense because it's really expensive and you could just pre-game instead. I'm just happy they're finally doing something with the space.

Expedition Everest... Not like I see this ride coming down for a rehab anytime soon, but I think it's way overdue for a fresh coat of paint on the mountain. Not to mention having consistently working waterfalls and steam. And then there's the Yeti...

^^Keep in mind that your average Magic Kingdom guest doesn't come just for the rides. Guests at that park invest hours of their time doing things like waiting for the parades, castle and street shows, fireworks, character meet and greets, character dining, etc. So while 10 rides may sound terrible to your average TPR reader, keep in mind that the average MK customer may spend a lot of time doing things other than the rides. I'm not saying that lines aren't ever an issue at MK, I'm just saying that someone who is there for the rides can easily get more than that into their visit. Just that many people choose not to.

^So we might finally have something to discuss in the Six Flags America thread?!?! (Sorry, couldn't resist)

Rollercoaster Cuts never really made sense to me. I don't really get why someone would want to get their hair cut at a theme park, I actually think that's sort of weird. I mean, a haircut place fits in thematically on Main Street at Disney... but how Six Flags ever think this would fit in to their properties is beyond me. Six Flags, focus on what you're good at. I'm glad their cutting all of this extra crap from the company.

Thank you Larry!!! I LOVE THAT THREAD!!! Oh, and to stay on topic... Cheetah Hunt... Woo...

Wow, this looks really cool, I love what they're doing with the supports! Can't wait to see the finished product!

Awesome! Thanks for posting this. It's such a shame to see such a good looking wood coaster sitting there going to waste. Hopefully Herschend has plans to eventually move it, I'd love to see it end up at Wild Adventures!

Wait, does this not make sense to anyone else?

Posted on Screamscape this morning Woah! This is pretty of upsetting to me. Most of the time I'm at Downtown Disney it's to see a concert at the House of Blues, that venue is great! It gets more business than any of the other venues in Orlando, and IMO it's half of what keeps the West Side busy. Harley Davidson? Ugh, I don't think I would have any reason to go back to that end of Downtown Disney if the House of Blues is replaced with a giant Harley place. I hope this turns out to be untrue.

Just because we haven't been given any updates doesn't mean things aren't happening! I mean, Cat is probably hard at work pulling up her grades in calculus and preparing for final exams. As you know, you can't really publicly discuss these things. She'll probably wait until final grades come out and then give us an update on how she did. Plus, she can afford to take a break from the whole coaster thing. She has PLENTY of time to raise the money she needs. Once her long awaited t-shirts come out you can bet the money is just going to start flowing! -Andrew

Awesome!! Proslide is one of my favorite companies in the industry. I was on one of their speed slides this morning as a matter of fact! White Water is cool and all, but when it comes to waterparks I have to admit I'm a Proslide fanboy. I want to see one of those hydromagnetic mammoth slides!

Ugh, I can't believe I'm about to say this.... but looks like I'll have to take a trip over to Magic Kingdom sometime soon to check out Pooh. Personally, I'm more interested to see what's going on with the Haunted Mansion's queue... but seeing as I haven't done Pooh in years I guess it won't kill me to give it a go.

I re-allocate my travel budget to my bar-tab budget. But then again, I live in Florida... our off season is pretty nice!

Didn't they replace Geopanic with a Spiderman/DarKastle-type 4d dark ride? That seems a lot more unique than a crappy enclosed coaster. Probably a lot more enjoyable as well... As for Linear Gale... meh. I'm sad that's a missed "credit" for me this summer in Japan, but oh well.