Why do Frank Prior and Fredrick Church

[crispy]

When really it was Arthur Looff who was completly responsible for that ride, we just went and made a coaster simular to the Prior and Church bobs style, but they didn't design it at all

 

:crazy:

 

 

look at rcdb.com

 

http://www.rcdb.com/id204.htm

 

 

 

from wikipedia, online encyclopedia

 

In 1911, woodcarver and amusement park pioneer Charles Looff created the Looff Carousel. His son, Arthur, suggested that the park owners replace the park's first "thrill ride," the aging L.A. Thompson Scenic Railway, with a "modern" wooden coaster—the Giant Dipper, which was designed by the younger Looff and opened in 1924.

[WalrusMan]

I beleive that many Prior and Chruch patents were used on the Giant Dipper, hence it being "designed" by them. And then "built" by Mr. Looff. But no matter who designed it.......

 

THANK YOU!

[crispy]

well then what about coasters like the psyclone and all the other coney isalnd cyclone copies

 

you don't see Vernon Keenan's name at all

 

from what I've heard Looff, went and copied a Prior and Church design, but he did actually design it

[BiCoastal Kid]

^Stengel doesn't get much credit for designing a majority of Intamin and B&M's rides either.

[ebl]

Psyclone, Georgia Cyclone, Texas Cyclone, etc. were designed by different people.

 

Vernon Keenan did the original Coney Island Cyclone. Bill Cobb designed the Texas Cyclone (SFAW); Charlie Dinn and Curtis Summers did the Georgia Cyclone (SFoG) and Psyclone (SFMM). Others, I'm not sure about. Do a little Web research if you'd like.

 

Eric

[crispy]

no what i'm saying is if prior and church inspired the Giant Dipper, why is it always called a prior and church coaster, when it was designed by arthur Looff, and prior and church had nothing to do with it?

[CoasterFanatic]

If it makes you feel any better, I have always given Looff the credit.

 

http://www.coasterfanatics.com/sec_coasters/coaster_detail.asp?id=199

[crispy]

^^^ very cool

 

 

i'm not angry, just thought "hey wait, why are these guys getting the credit for something they didnt actually design?"

 

 

then you look at the coney island cyclone clones, and the person who desinged the original, or inspired the other rides, get no credit

 

 

maybe becuase prior and church are much bigger names, i don't know

 

 

 

i actually like the father son connection there at the boardwalk, father Charles loof designed and built the carousel in 1911, and his son Arthur Looff designed and built the Giant Dipper in 1924

[Musical Pete]

Exact structural techniques and dimensions of P&C were used, including the track construction patented by Fred Church. Then again, builders today still use John Miller's track and antirollback patents. I suppose the best thing to say is that the layout was designed by Arthur Looff. The geometry of it however is very Fred Church, including the very slightly parabolic first drop crest (not that they were specifically designed as that.. wooden boards form their own unique curve, the shape of which being dependant of the spacing of the ledgers beneath, which is partly why old-built woodies tend to feel more alive than new ones, which are grossly contrived).

 

One thing I'm pretty sure of.. the original trains were P&C, unless Looff & crew built them faithful to P&C plans themselves.

[crispy]

Exact structural techniques and dimensions of P&C were used, including the track construction patented by Fred Church. Then again, builders today still use John Miller's track and antirollback patents. I suppose the best thing to say is that the layout was designed by Arthur Looff. The geometry of it however is very Fred Church, including the very slightly parabolic first drop crest (not that they were specifically designed as that.. wooden boards form their own unique curve, the shape of which being dependant of the spacing of the ledgers beneath, which is partly why old-built woodies tend to feel more alive than new ones, which are grossly contrived).

 

One thing I'm pretty sure of.. the original trains were P&C, unless Looff & crew built them faithful to P&C plans themselves.

 

 

 

:shock:

 

holy crap, best reply ever

 

wow, thats alot of knowledge, thanks

 

 

and i don't know the NM Rattler felt very alive yesterday

[WalrusMan]

Wow Musical Pete! Haven't heard of you on anywhere in a long time. Been missing your 5 page woodie essays.