arrowfanman Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 ^ No problem. They simply added some fabric behind it. BTW folks, I dont yet know if something like this has been posted, but.... ....Brent, you were very luckly to get on it when you did! When the ride opened yesterday, check out the line!... Damn AP holders! I hear supposivly it went down to City Hall in the afternoon, however I hear some people didn't have too much trouble getting on, so who knows. -Jahan
ECZenith Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 I haven't ridden either of the newly revamped Pirates rides but I like the fact they added a Jack Sparrow animatronic. Yes they changed a historical ride, but eventually all rides should be updated and given an apportunity to offer a secondary experience.
pvcoasterguy Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 ^^ At least Pirates has a huge capacity. It can sometimes get up to 3000 pph, depending on the the speed of the workers. Just wait until Nemo opens with its medicore (est.) 1400 pph, for an E-ticket! That line will be scary.
Wes Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 With Pirates being the ultimate "shrine" to this history if you will, in my eyes it just becomes unfortunate to see some of what made the original version no longer being the ultimate focus of the ride itself. For insatnce, it may seem insignificant to most, but removing the iconic talking skull and crossbones may be the one thing that stuck out to someone, and is a great memory of the ride experience to either adult or child. As far as if Disney had done a complete "refurb" of the ride, such as enhancing the audio, touching up the characters, etc......I could justify that much easier. When I walk into the park now and I see promotional movie banners plastered all over it, it's just so glaringly obvious that many people (and this shouldn't be limited just to children) will approach the ride only wanting to see Johnny Depp. The understanding and ultimate appreciation of the fact that the movie was inspired by the ride, and not vice versa, will be lost by many. I get what you are saying and I sympathize. I was quick to criticize the movie when the idea came. I was also VERY skeptical when I found out about the changes to the rides. There were simply way too many ways for it to go wrong. It really would have been bad if it turned into The Johnny Depp Ride, so I was pretty relieved when I saw the final product yesterday. And again, if it weren't for the renewed interest because of the movies, we probably wouldn't have gotten the great new lighting, music, props, and effects. Have I mentioned how freaking SWEET the Davy Jones mist screen is? They finally found a way to make the most lackluster part of the ride really cool. I'm more wary of the recent changes to the Attic scene in Haunted Mansion, which, while being pretty cool, is a different tone and style than the rest of the mansion.
BeemerBoy Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 And again, if it weren't for the renewed interest because of the movies, we probably wouldn't have gotten the great new lighting, music, props, and effects. Have I mentioned how freaking SWEET the Davy Jones mist screen is? They finally found a way to make the most lackluster part of the ride really cool. I'm more wary of the recent changes to the Attic scene in Haunted Mansion, which, while being pretty cool, is a different tone and style than the rest of the mansion. I figured we were probably on a similiar wave length regarding the changes, and that's cool. It's a good point about getting the good changes due to the movie's popularity. The Davy Jones effect has caught my curiousity a bit. Sounds pretty interesting. Overall, I was never gonna be the type to say "I'm never riding again because of this," and even though I'm still completely against Depp and company being there, it's pretty much just an adjustment period, I guess. I am glad to hear you say you're satisfied with the way things were approached. That is somewhat, um, comforting. Without spoiling it for anyone who still wants to be surprised from the changes, could you shed some light on how the new characters were weaved into the "storyline?" I'm just curious what major scenes were altered, and to what extent. And regarding the Haunted Mansion, yeah, even though there are changes being made to one of my all-time favorites, it's easier to stomach considering the difference of not having a hollywood personality involved. I'm with you though....still a bit wary. Anyway, I guess we should let this die soon. If anything, for the sake of everyone else in here who could give two flying, um, donkeys what I think.
Wes Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 ^ Without spoiling? That'll be hard to do. So if you don't want to know, don't read below the dashed line... -------------------------------------------- - Davy Jones' projection appears in a waterfall in the cave between the treasure room and the fort battle and says some random stuff. This replaces the "No fear have ye of evil curses" dialogue, but the Davy Jones dialogue is similar in tone. - The old Captain of the Wicked Wench has been swapped out for Captain Barbossa. Honestly, this is something that only die-hards will notice. If I didn't know better, I would have guessed they just gave the old captain a costume change. His dialogue is pretty much intact, with a few added lines about finding Jack Sparrow. The entire battle scene is now shrouded with thick fog, and then cannon explosions are quite large. - The dunking scene dialogue is now more about them finding Jack. It still works the same, the "Be brave Carlos, don't be cheeeeken" and all. Further down the scene (on the same side of the ride as the dunking) Jack is hiding behind some mannaquins. I don't believe there was anything but dead space there before, and it's a good transition between the dunking scene and the auction. - The auction is unchanged. - The gluttony scene now features Jack poking his head out of the barrel previously occupied by the woman and the cat. The drunk pirate makes a couple references to Jack (and Jack reacts accordingly by ducking back into the barrel). The drunk pirate is also holding a treasure map, which is why Jack is hiding there (to get a peek at the map). - Burning scene is unchanged, but the fire effects are improved. - Prison scene and the pre-lift shoot out is unchanged. Bigger explosions when the bullets hit the water. - They added a little vault type room to the area where the ex-World Of Motion guys were pulling the treasure up the incline. Jack is basically in the room with his treasure, and says some lines. This is the only talking Jack in the ride. - There are some dialogue snippets from Davy Jones as you go up the lift. - Other changes: The little island when you walk into the building has been redone with a treasure map of the ride and a new parrot. There are a few new skeletons in the treasure caves (including a parrot skeleton next to the piano). The main treasure room has been significantly redone with alot more worldy artifacts. New orchestration of the music in the caverns and battle scenes, a bit more of an "epic" version of Yo Ho. There was at least one missing AA in the gluttony scene, but this could be due to the rotating rehab they have with the figures as opposed to an outright retirement.
SLUSHIE Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 IMO I'm kind of against the changes made to the DL version because it's the origional and Walt had a hand in it. The WDW version I don't really care about and they can do whatever that want to to that one. As for people thinking the ride was made after the movie... they are just dumb. I don't think people at DL have had that problem, but if they do someone should point out the 35 years aniversary plaque at the entrance. I do agree with what Julie said though, how Disneyland isn't a museum, but I still don't like that they changed something that basicly is historical. There are pictures and videos of the new version at http://www.mouseinfo.com
BeemerBoy Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 ^^ Great recap, Wes. I appreciate it. It sounds as though it's gonna be a bit of both worlds on this one for me, and many others. While it'll definitely lose some "charm" for diehards, the changes involving updated technology (battle scenes, Davy Jones, fire scene, etc.) may not hurt as badly as imagined. I don't think I'll ever get over the presence of Hollywood in the ride, but perhaps in time it'll dissipate a bit. It's funny, I was just thinking that I loved the first movie in the series so much, that I didn't want the new version of the ride to make me look down upon the film for the feelings it's caused. Strange how things play out sometimes.
socalMAN123 Posted June 27, 2006 Author Posted June 27, 2006 Yay! Now it seems that everyone understands what they are saying and there is no more venting! Oh well, it was kind of interesting to see what other people thought of the attraction and its refurb. ---Brent
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