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Or just the right amount.

I think a dive coaster easily fits that theme, but I think imagining a giga-dive is a bit... optimistic. Sure, if they use up all of the Skyrider plot, most of the land between Vortex and Windseeker, as well as some other creative use of the surrounding area, they could have a long enough track to use up all that kinetic energy, but I dunno. Honestly, I have doubts it's even gonna break 200 ft, but I hope it does. I also doubt that they'll give it four inversions, but like you, I'm hoping for as many as possible. Speaking of Valkyria, I'd love a similar, (maybe longer) layout. As far as dive machines go, it looks pretty exciting.

Yeah, I've seen some comments in other places that are pretty negative. Sure, I too may prefer something else, but any kind of B&M sounds good to me. I'm excited to follow the construction, and I'll be pumped to ride no matter what it is.

Man, this is really exciting! I can't really tell how wide this track is compared to Behemoth or Leviathan, but it looks pretty damn wide. If it is a dive, I hope it has at least two inversions, not just one like some of them do. Valkyria has a pretty fun looking layout, I'd hope for something more like that. I would gladly sacrifice the second drop for a second or third inversion. That being said, I've never actually ridden a dive coaster, so I could be talking out of my ass. [youtu_be] [/youtu_be]

As great as that would be, I I have a hard time imagining it. I don't thin they've got the space for something really big, especially record-breakingly big. To me this has B&M dive machine written all over it, even if I would prefer something else.

Okay, thanks for the clarification. Most of tht layout looked plausible, so I imagined there could be something hinting at it. I'm hoping that whatever it is ends up occupying a bit more space. I can easily imagine a Dive Machine there, but like you, I hope it's something else. I won't be too picky in the end, as it would have to be a pretty bad coaster not to enhance the park.

I'm having a hard time making out details on the pictures, what are you seeing that shows where the lift hill is going? Also how confident can you be about that proposed layout? Is that just guesstimation on your part, or is there concrete evidence I'm not picking up on? Either way, thanks for the updates! I keep checking back everyday (usually more than once) for them.

Well, we can be pretty certain that if they DO build a B&M, it will have good capacity; it's mostly a given with B&M. Something completely new from B&M could be nifty, but I'll still be very happy if it's an invert. I've got this feeling of... not exactly dread... that it'll be a Dive Coaster. I mean don't get me wrong, I'm sure if it is that I'll enjoy it, but something more fast and more furious would be very welcome.

I ride Vortex at least once every time I go, and I go often. While it's not my favorite, I do love it. It's got kind of a special status with myself and the wife. The line fills up quickly when the park is busy, and it runs pretty smoothly and reliably, so I doubt it's going anywhere. I suspect Thrillseeker is right in that it's just kind of in the way of some of the work they need to get done.

This is awesome news! I can't wait until we know what's going there! A big B&M Invert would be very welcome, but I'm not set on any particular coaster type. I mean, I hope whatever it is has inversions so we finally have a good inverting coaster, but right now I'm excited no matter what.

Thanks for all the continuous updates CedarFair1! I love checking this stuff out. That last picture really puts the scope of all the work in perspective! I'm really looking forward to seeing what the park looks like over the next couple of years.

Looks like Lumberjack and Flying Canoes will be open for passholders night, excellent. Hopefully I don't have an exam that afternoon or evening.

On Android (Chrome and Firefox) I can't drag coasters out of the grey box. If I try to get them up, they move above the instruction text, but within the grey box. If I try to move them out to the side, they don't move. Dragging down moved their vertical position, but they stay in the grey box.

Loving where this is going, thanks for the hard work! I regret to say that my rankings still aren't saving either. I've been using the site on my Android phone.

It's hard not to get too excited by this stuff, because yeah, it could be just a buried service line or whatever. But I can't stop imagining a new coaster for 2019. I love the idea of a coaster that takes up Skyrider's plot as well as some area over the water and across it. I'll just keep dreaming, but in the meantime I'll enjoy all the classics and Lumberjack.

Nice, thanks for sharing. I'm actually pretty pumped for this ride. I hope it's better than Soaring Timbers (which isn't terrible, but doesn't really do it for me).

My first arrow was Dragon Fire at Canada's Wonderland. Also happens to be my first inverting coaster as well.

Went do three parks this year, though visited my home park (CW) a dozen or so times. Kings Island was the highlight, and La Ronde was... La Ronde. All of these were new to me except the CW coasters. Banshee Mystic Timbers The Beast Flight of Fear Diamondback Vortex (CW) Behemoth Leviathan Goliath (La Ronde) Le Vampire (Batman clone)

Definitely an improvement. It'll still be a solid hour to get to the park from downtown, but it's fairly direct now. Too bad the line doesn't go all the way to Vaughn Mills.

Thanks for the update CedarFair1! It's hard to spot some of the details, but my squinting game is pretty up to snuff. It's funny, I'm almost as excited for the next couple of years of following construction updates as I am for all the final products.

I'm sure it won't look out of place, I mean there's no way it'll be less attractive then a bunch of parking lot space. And high attendance seems like a reason to build rather than a reason not to. There are a bunch of nearby hotels that people stay in largely to get two days at the park, and I bet CF has a good idea how many people that is. I'm thinking they've decided that they should make that money instead of the area hotels. I mean, you can already use the Wonderland website to book rooms at local hotels, why wouldn't the park want that action for themselves? Besides, Toronto keeps getting more and more tourism every year, why not try to make Wonderland into more of a destination?

Well, the parking lot already gets 99% full as it is, and they seem to be investing quite a bit into the park (ie hotel), so I suspect they're anticipating increased attendance in the coming years. As far as the location, it may be due to the relative proximity to the parking lot entrance off Canada's Wonderland Dr. Either way, this is all very exciting.

I posted this in the Canada's Wonderland thread, but thought some more people might enjoy this. This past Sunday morning, my girlfriend and I decided we should go to Wonderland, as it would definitely be our last chance for the year. We didn't hustle out the door to get there for opening, as we didn't expect the park to get too crazy on such a cold day; I think the highest temperature reached around 9-10 C (50 F). So we made a nice big breakfast of BLTs and scrambled eggs, watched an episode or two of the office, then bundled up in a couple of sweaters, grabbed some gloves, and hit the road. We got to the park around 11:30 or so (it's a 35 minute drive for us), and while plenty of people were showing up at the same time, the parking lot was well under half full. Once in the park we headed straight for Leviathan, hoping it wouldn't be too full of a line, which luckily for us, it wasn't. Seriously, this line never went behind the station any of the times we checked it out, and our first wait was 10 minutes, max. We got on somewhere in the middle, I think 3rd or 4th train, as we have great rides on this no matter where we sit. We were shivering before we even went down the first drop, but I was pumped, I love that "Oh shit" moment cresting the hill. The ride was great. I was expecting it to feel sluggish or something in the cold, but it definitely DID NOT feels slow. By the end of the ride, I could barely see, my eyes had watered up so much from the cold wind our faces. It was such a great ride that we just swung right back around for another short wait, this time getting to jump ahead a bunch because they needed two riders. We got seated second from the back, and this was even better. Seriously, I love that drop in the back, just wild. An epic climb to begin the day. After our two rides on Leviathan, we decided to do something we'd been putting off for a while: Wild Beast. Earlier in the season, we got the absolute shit kicked out of us on this ride. It was pretty startling, as we'd ridden this a dozen or more times in 2016, and while we had some rough rides, never anything so bad as at the start of 2017. Not quite so epic a climb. I'm pretty sure we must have been in a wheel seat that time, which I wouldn't have thought of at the time. So we made sure to sit in the front seat of our car, and away we went. Honestly, it was much better this time, and it was quite an enjoyable ride. It was rough in the way you expect an old woodie to be without being painful. We were glad to have ridden it again, as it was always a regular part of our roster before this year. We'll keep giving it a chance next year. Seriously, we felt the way this guy looks after our earlier rides this season. Next up was our favorite flat, and really, one of our favorite rides overall. This beauty right here. Seriously, we love the HELL out of Shockwave. Even when they don't shake up the ride cycle, you don't really get the same ride twice, and it's usually one of the crazier rides you can get in the park. This particular ride was no exception. We started out going backwards, and did some crazy backwards soaring and flipping. But really, my favorite thing with this ride is when it changes directions and launches you up and over. Just the best kind of ludicrous madness. Next was another one of our favorites that we ride 95% of the time we go to the park: Vortex. This ride isn't super intense, but damn is it fun. I love going up the side of the mountain, and then back down the other side. I love the consistent speed, I love diving over and around the pond and fountain, and I love the consistent speed. This ride is fairly tame for us now, but is just pure fun. We also have some fond memories of this ride, which we always have a laugh about once we hit the break run. In September we brought my brother and sister-in-law to park with our free bring a friend passes, and we all rode Vortex. Well, my sister-in-law was screaming like a mad banshee the whole time, which was absolutely hilarious to us, and was the best ride we ever had on Vortex. Seriously, we couldn't stop laughing. So we always remember that on Vortex, and it always gives us another fit of the giggles. This year we've been having bad luck with our visits. Most of our visits have been on really busy days, so we tend to avoid rides that slow-moving lines. This has meant that some of the rides we really enjoy have gotten less love this year, and so we wanted to make it up to them, and one in particular. This beautiful bastard. Here's a stock image, since I forgot to snap a picture. The operations on this ride are usually pretty slow, and as much as we love it, it takes less priority than rides like Behemoth, Vortex, Shockwave, and Leviathan, so it often gets skipped. Not this time. The line was prettty short, so we only had to wait two cycles before we got on. I really enjoy this ride. Another ride that gives a very different experience depending on where you sit. I know it can give some pretty crazy air where it feels like it's gonna launch you into the sky, which is great, but I actually prefer the seats that have you staring straight down at the ground. I find that damn thrilling. This ride we got some pretty wild air, which is the ride we get less often, so I was good with it. Glad we got on it one more time this season. And then it was time for my most loved ride in the park, the ride that I think of when I think airtime. The massive beast of the land: This line had actually gotten fairly long relative to the other lines we'd seen, and we waited probably about 25 minutes, our longest wait all day along with Shockwave (which is always slow as shit). Even given the length of the line, this felt slower than normal, and it was no wonder. The operations were not so hot, and all three trains were stacking almost every time. The entire time we were in line, there was only one dispatch that happened within mere moments of the currently running train leaving the MCBR. It was unfortunate, but I didn't sweat it too much, as the wait wasn't terrible anyway. Terrible picture, great coaster. We sat front row, second to last car. Now, I actually usually prefer to sit at/near the front on Behemoth. I find that the airtime is longer lasting near the front, and that the hill right after the hammerhead turn is hugely better near the front than the back as I don't seem to lose air because of the trim the same way I do in the back. Now that said, this was an especially great near-back ride. The air going down the camelbacks was good, but I kind got slammed back into my seat after each hill, in a good way. Seriously, I've ridden Behemoth dozens of times, and I'd never had a ride quite like this one. What a solid end-of season ride on such a solid coaster. By now we were getting hungry, and we were pretty damn cold, so some hot food sounded perfect. We headed up the by Spine Warp and Flight Death, thinking we would go to International St and grab some Chinese, our usual. Except that we noticed for the first time that Backlot Cafe is on the meal plan! How did we not know? So we ducked inside to check it out. I was impressed with the variety of food, and we decided to get some curry. We quickly changed our mind though, as the lineup for the Mediterranean was pretty much non-existent. So we grabbed a chicken souvlaki platter and grabbed a seat outisde - the place was packed because everyone was trying to escape the damn cold! The food was decent, definitely better than we expected. I mean, we lived near the Danforth for a few years, so obviously this did not actually impress us (we're snobs, we know, deal with it ), but really, it was better than most of the other food we've had in the park. I mean, there were actual vegetables... Surprisingly decent. It was getting to be late afternoon, around 3pm or so, and we both had things to do at home, so we decided we should head home. So we headed out to International St, but we knew we had one thing left to do before we left the park for the last time in 2017. Season-ender. The line was still short, not even going behind the station, which was nice. We were gonna ride no matter what the line was like, but we were pleased to see a short wait, probably only 10-15 minutes. Except we didn't wait quite that long. Once again, they needed a pair of riders, and we got pulled forward, cutting our wait down by a train. We were seated second to the front. This ride was so damn good. As much as I love the drop at the back of this ride, I also love staring down the drop as you crest the hill, and the front/near-front gives such a great vantage-point to do so. As before, I was surprised at how much it felt like we were hauling-ass, and had a great ride. Seriously high note to end our season on. Here we are saying goodbye to Leviathan. And so we headed out of the park, satisfied with our short, but dense visit, one of the best of the season. We're looking forward to next season, and hope Lumberjack is better than Soaring Timbers turned out to be, but we're optimistic. Now that the season is over, I get to obsess and theorize about 2019, and she gets to put up with it, humoring me with good patience. My last, teary-eyed photo of Leviathan for the year. See you in 6ish months!

So yesterday morning, the girlfriend and I decided we should go to the park, as it would definitely be our last chance for the year. We didn't hustle out the door to get there for opening, as we didn't expect the park to get too crazy on such a cold day; I think the highest temperature reached around 9-10 C (50 F). So we made a nice big breakfast of BLTs and scrambled eggs, watched an episode or two of the office, then bundled up in a couple of sweaters, grabbed some gloves, and hit the road. We got to the park around 11:30 or so (it's a 35 minute drive for us), and while plenty of people were showing up at the same time, the parking lot was well under half full. Once in the park we headed straight for Leviathan, hoping it wouldn't be too full of a line, which luckily for us, it wasn't. Seriously, this line never went behind the station any of the times we checked it out, and our first wait was 10 minutes, max. We got on somewhere in the middle, I think 3rd or 4th train, as we have great rides on this no matter where we sit. We were shivering before we even went down the first drop, but I was pumped, I love that "Oh shit" moment cresting the hill. The ride was great. I was expecting it to feel sluggish or something in the cold, but it definitely DID NOT feels slow. By the end of the ride, I could barely see, my eyes had watered up so much from the cold wind our faces. It was such a great ride that we just swung right back around for another short wait, this time getting to jump ahead a bunch because they needed two riders. We got seated second from the back, and this was even better. Seriously, I love that drop in the back, just wild. An epic climb to start the day. After our two rides on Leviathan, we decided to do something we'd been putting off for a while: Wild Beast. Earlier in the season, we got the absolute shit kicked out of us on this ride. It was pretty startling, as we'd ridden this a dozen or more times in 2016, and while we had some rough rides, never anything so bad as at the start of 2017. Seriously, that's what we felt like after riding it at the start of the season. I'm pretty sure we must have been in a wheel seat that time, which I wouldn't have thought of at the time. So we made sure to sit in the front seat of our car, and away we went. Honestly, it was much better this time, and it was quite an enjoyable ride. It was rough in the way you expect an old woodie to be without being painful. We were glad to have ridden it again, as it was always a regular part of our roster before this year. We'll keep giving it a chance next year. Not quite so epic a climb. Next up was our favorite flat, and really, one of our favorite rides overall. This beauty right here. Seriously, we love the HELL out of Shockwave. Even when they don't shake up the ride cycle, you don't really get the same ride twice, and it's usually one of the crazier rides you can get in the park. This particular ride was no exception. We started out going backwards, and did some crazy backwards soaring and flipping. But really, my favorite thing with this ride is when it changes directions and launches you up and over. Just the best kind of ludicrous madness. Next was another one of our favorites that we ride 95% of the time we go to the park: Vortex. This ride isn't super intense, but damn is it fun. I love going up the side of the mountain, and then back down the other side. I love the consistent speed, I love diving over and around the pond and fountain, and I love the consistent speed. This ride is fairly tame for us now, but is just pure fun. We also have some fond memories of this ride, which we always have a laugh about once we hit the break run. In September we brought my brother and sister-in-law to park with our free bring a friend passes, and we all rode Vortex. Well, my sister-in-law was screaming like a mad banshee the whole time, which was absolutely hilarious to us, and was the best ride we ever had on Vortex. Seriously, we couldn't stop laughing. So we always remember that on Vortex, and it always gives us another fit of the giggles. This year we've been having bad luck with our visits. Most of our visits have been on really busy days, so we tend to avoid rides that slow-moving lines. This has meant that some of the rides we really enjoy have gotten less love this year, and so we wanted to make it up to them, and one in particular. This beautiful bastard. The operations on this ride are usually pretty slow, and as much as we love it, it takes less priority than rides like Behemoth, Vortex, Shockwave, and Leviathan, so it often gets skipped. Not this time. THe line was prettty short, so we only had to wait two cycles before we got on. I really enjoy this ride. Another ride that gives a very different experience depending on where you sit. I know it can give some pretty crazy air where it feels like it's gonna launch you into the sky, which is great, but I actually prefer the seats that have you staring straight down at the ground. I find that damn thrilling. This ride we got some pretty wild air, which is the ride we get less often, so I was good with it. Glad we got on it one more time this season. And then it was time for my most loved ride in the park, the ride that I think of when I think airtime. The massive beast of the land: This line had actually gotten fairly long relative to the other lines we'd seen, and we waited probably about 25 minutes, our longest wait all day along with Shockwave (which is always slow as shit). Even given the length of the line, this felt slower than normal, and it was no wonder. The operations were not so hot, and all three trains were stacking almost every time. The entire time we were in line, there was only one dispatch that happened within mere moments of the currently running train leaving the MCBR. It was unfortunate, but I didn't sweat it too much, as the wait wasn't terrible anyway. Terrible picture, great coaster. We sat front row, second to last car. Now, I actually usually prefer to sit at/near the front on Behemoth. I find that the airtime is longer lasting near the front, and that the hill right after the hammerhead turn is hugely better near the front than the back as I don't seem to lose air because of the trim the same way I do in the back. Now that said, this was an especially great near-back ride. The air going down the camelbacks was good, but I kind got slammed back into my seat after each hill, in a good way. Seriously, I've ridden Behemoth dozens of times, and I'd never had a ride quite like this one. What a solid end-of season ride on such a solid coaster. By now we were getting hungry, and we were pretty damn cold, so some hot food sounded perfect. We headed up the by Spine Warp and Flight Death, thinking we would go to International St and grab some Chinese, our usual. Except that we noticed for the first time that Backlot Cafe is on the meal plan! How did we not know? So we ducked inside to check it out. I was impressed with the variety of food, and we decided to get some curry. We quickly changed our mind though, as the lineup for the Mediterranean was pretty much non-existent. So we grabbed a chicken souvlaki platter and grabbed a seat outisde - the place was packed because everyone was trying to escape the damn cold! The food was decent, definitely better than we expected. I mean, we lived near the Danforth for a few years, so obviously this did not actually impress us (we're snobs, we know, deal with it ), but really, it was better than most of the other food we've had in the park. I mean, there were actual vegetables... Surprisingly decent. It was getting to be late afternoon, around 3pm or so, and we both had things to do at home, so we decided we should head home. So we headed out to International St, but we knew we had one thing left to do before we left the park for the last time in 2017. Season-ender. The line was still short, not even going behind the station, which was nice. We were gonna ride no matter what the line was like, but we were pleased to see a short wait, probably only 10-15 minutes. Except we didn't wait quite that long. Once again, they needed a pair of riders, and we got pulled forward, cutting our wait down by a train. We were seated second to the front. This ride was so damn good. As much as I love the drop at the back of this ride, I also love staring down the drop as you crest the hill, and the front/near-front gives such a great vantage-point to do so. As before, I was surprised at how much it felt like we were hauling-ass, and had a great ride. Seriously high note to end our season on. Here we are saying goodbye to Leviathan. And so we headed out of the park, satisfied with our short, but dense visit, one of the best of the season. We're looking forward to next season, and hope Lumberjack is better than Soaring Timbers turned out to be, but we're optimistic. Now that the season is over, I get to obsess and theorize about 2019, and she gets to put up with it, humoring me with good patience. My last, teary-eyed photo of Leviathan for the year See you in 6ish months!

This is all really promising. I'm glad to see consistent investment into the park by Cedar Fair. I don't know what the time frame would be exactly, but getting a hotel, indoor water park, Winterfest, flat rides, and a new coaster over the course of a only a few years sounds pretty great. I mean, the above teasing doesn't concretely confirm the addition of a coaster in 2019, even when considered in context with this report that we've already seen, but it seems likely. I do think it's a bit early to get all excited and start talking about what we should get... but I'll do it anyway Like I said before, I really hope we get a good inverting coaster, as the ones we have now aren't great. Dragon Fire is okay, but kind of boring. The Bat is nothing to write home about, but good for when you're really jonesing for some forceful inversions. Flight Deck is just painful, also only good for those moments of desperation. Time Warp is just the worst. So I'll echo johnlloyd, I'd love a B&M Invert or Flyer, though a launched Wing Coaster could be pretty damn great.