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With this built there would be even more of a reason to replace Grizzly.

^I 100% agree with this, I've never had an issues with GL down there. After I305 blackouts and GL intensity Intamin probably think we Americans are a bunch of wimps lol. Because we are!

That is a very good look! Sounds good to me, maybe this time it's for real.

To everyone: This cannot be said enough. If your male, empty your pockets before you ride, no keys, no phone, no nothing in your front pockets. Sit in the seat, and when the restraint comes down, take your elbows and push the lapbar into your thighs. It will be uncomfortable, but your testes will thank you. This has been a Buckaroo service announcement That should be on a sign posted at the entrance to that ride!

Goliath has a theme?

Hmm...there is a lot of empty space over the lagoon....

I wish they could, I never got to experience the holding brake.

I guess not.

Giga, Strata, Mega-Lite, Disk-O-Coaster, 2013.....whatever. Too far away to know anything yet. Sooo... anything else currently going on at this park?

Then that leaves........INTAMIN! I don't think they are done with them yet.

Yeah its hard to make something stale look appealing, a fresh new coaster would look very attractive.

Not even that, although I do agree. The GP does not understand that the park also has to be safe, whether on rides or people just walking around and this deck could have been to the point that it had to be replaced because it simply was not safe anymore and presented a trip hazard. As you said your pants got caught on it and it was uneven, im sure those were not the only things wrong with it.

I have no doubt Intamin has this covered (obviously), it should just be interesting to see how they build LL:DOD and see how the swaying affects the ride experience. Just curious, has anyone on this board ridden the Giant Drop in Australia? Does the tower sway that much when the Tower of Terror launches? Looking at that tower, it is built different than Superman. It's a large tube tower that I believe was built to house both rides from the get go and looks much more sturdier. Superman's tower wasn't built to hold a drop ride on the side of it and is built to sway much more freely than the Tower of Terror tower. You can literally stand at the bottom of the tower and see it sway like crazy. Never been on it but as you point out the tower is a giant tube which would seem sturdier. I'm sure it moves some, it has to or it would break, probably not as much as the one at MM but the extra movement would just add to the excitement of the drop!

What year did Log Jammer open? I can't remember.

What your actually seeing in the center of the track are anti-rollback devices. All of His works use brakes on the sides (similar to MF/Expedition Geforce). The anti-rollbacks are for when the block is triggered and the brakes have to stop the train, when the brakes release it doesnt go backward and valley. The only thing thats been changed, or 'trimmed' is the braking program. The PLC for revolution hits the train with more braking force than it was designed to have, effectively trimming the ride. Its ok tho, i made the same mistake when i went to safety the ride (looked like quite the dumbass) Several of his rides also had/have block brakes in the center of the track. The anti rollbacks (if you were riding it) would be first, this is the long thing with the flaps that stick out on the side, just like on the lift hill, and you would hit this BEFORE you crest the hill. As you crest the hill you will notice in the center of the track a shorter 'rail' in the center of the track with a rail on either side of it and (if you could look very quickly or just look at the same type of brake as you enter the transfer area) you will see underneath are two pneumatic cylinders which control the closing and opening of this....brake, and also, this is located on the track just after you crest the hill on the downward slope. I know what the anti rollbacks are and what they do and WHERE they are, these are not anti rollbacks, these are block brakes. On many of his rides he used both types of brakes. The brakes on the sides of the track can only be used on straight sections of track and grab the brake fins on the sides of the train which, if you notice that is the only place you will ever see them- straight sections of track. The center track/block brakes are unique in that they can be used on curved parts of the track, a hill, or a turn, etc. and stop the train by grabbing it from the bottom, there are small 'blocks' under it for this purpose (and I believe they are painted yellow). You can see all of this if you stand under the track where the train enters the brake run in the transfer area and you'll see, actually, BOTH types of brakes in action and the underside of the train and the blocks that the block brakes use. Watch any Revolution POV and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about in the center of the track. The Whizzer coasters use the same types of brakes on the sides and the center for blocking.

OMG. I appologize for quoting just this, but for some reason I damn near fell out of my chair laughing when I read it. Don't apologize, it's funny as hell isn't it?

Couldn't agree more,CGA's version is mirrored as well. When Grizzly was built, the original Wildcat profile from Coney Island, (Cincinatti, OH) was 'tamed down' quite a bit off of the two that were nearly identical (Wilde Beast/Grizzly KD) as it had fewer hills, as well as a more drawn-out course. Length wise, the rides are nearly identical- but with some minor 'tweaking' of the profile of the ride itself. The Bush Beast at Austrailia's Wonderland was a clone of the Grizzly at Great America- and featured a nearly identical layout- but with PTC trains similar to the Wilde Beast/ Grizzly. OMG, there's a clone of this one?

New staff cafeteria......YES!!!!

^I knew those were block brakes as they do not even look or function like trims (the brakes in the CENTER ON THE TRACK at the top of each hill- which look like they originally came with the ride). The only trim brakes that I am aware of and that look like they were added after the fact (like you have just explained) are the brakes on the SIDES of the track at the top of the run to the loop and the same type of brakes just before you go through the middle of the loop. There are no other trims on this ride unless you count the brakes at the end of the ride entering the transfer track. All of the other brakes during the course are for blocking/emergency use plus, these brakes just happen to be in a spot where the train creeps through them so it would not make sense to trim the train there, there is no need to.

Well there you go, 6 trains proves the picture was pieced together.

Is that using the blocking setup they use today or back when it first opened? The reason I ask is then why the need for block brakes at the top of every hill? Using the blocking scheme of today some of them could be eliminated but then why are they there in the first place? And I do remember 5 trains running, which you could do with the "original" block scheme, but then again that was some 30 years ago. Who would know this for sure?

You asked for an explanation of that so let's try this.... The lift is one block, from the top of the lift to the top of the next hill is another block, from there to the top of the next hill is another block...etc. The train on the lift and the one going down the first drop are both in two different blocks. As long as the train on the lift does not get to the top of it before the train ahead of it clears the block it is in its fine. Still very close but as long as the dispatch wasn't too early they would be fine.

One of Anton's great innovations I believe was blocking. When it opened there were already several blocks and block brakes in place. This is how it was able to run 5 trains safely. Two trains cannot occupy one block at any time so if for some reason this was sensed as a possiblilty by the control system the trains would be stopped. Very similar to today except now I believe that there has to be an empty block between two trains, so a train can be in blocks one and three but not block two for example.

Rudie, I too have a fondness and great memories of Revolution and would be thrilled if it was ever brought back to its former glory, new trains, no trims, etc. I must say I admire and appreciate your knowledge and love for this ride as I completely feel the same way about it. It is a true engineering marvel designed by the greatest coaster innovator in history, is built to last, and truly in its day was incredible. Hopefully it will get at least some of that back. Whenever I visit the park I always make sure I ride Revolution two times or more. I remember riding it as a kid before the OTSRs and heavy trimming and it was a blast so when I ride it now, as im getting beaten silly I remember those great rides from the past. And yes, they did run ALL 5 TRAINS, it was awesome! The best part was "threading the needle", one train cresting the loop the same time another train was running through it.

The last time I rode it was before any of the retracking so I am looking forward to riding it this season to see how much better it will be.