THE WAR ON PREFAB SUPPORTS

[Calaway Park]

Ok, I don't see why everybody in the NoLimits user crew gets so uptight about prefab supports. If Ole didn't want them in the game, why are they there? If someone wants to use prefab supports on their ride, then there is no reason to downrate it for them. The supports are there, use them! If you make a support that's just going to look exactly the same as a prefab, what's the point when you could just use a simple click?

 

Prefabs are there for people to use them, so I'd just like to see people getting less uptight about them, and downrating rides for them.

[Guest]

I downrate for them because generally they aren't enough. 9 times out of 10 the auto/prefab supports needs to be built on, because they would not hold the load sufficiently (usually, but not limited to laterally). Another reason I downrate for them is because they usually look sloppy. Either too spread out, or aren't equal (or logically) spaced apart.

 

Wooden auto supports, I downrate for because they aren't realistic. There are different patterns of braces that the auto supporter does NOT put in place (laces, for example), and can be easily done. I consider that lack of effort/care (because again, it's really simple to do) and downrate for it. Also, like steel, 9 times out of 10 they aren't enough. They need to be built on/perfected just like they steel prefabs.

 

If however, effort has been taken to add lateral bracing (or whatever brace needs to be done), and they look clean, I won't downrate for them.

[Calaway Park]

I downrate for them because generally they aren't enough. 9 times out of 10 the auto/prefab supports needs to be built on, because they would not hold the load sufficiently. Another reason I downrate for them is because they usually look sloppy. Either too spread out, or aren't equal (or logically) spaced apart.

 

Wooden auto supports, I downrate for because they aren't realistic. There are different patterns of braces that the auto supporter does NOT put in place (laces, for example), and can be easily done. I consider that lack of effort/care (because again, it's really simple to do) and downrate for it. Also, like steel, 9 times out of 10 they aren't enough. They need to be built on/perfected just like they steel prefabs.

 

If however, effort has been taken to add lateral bracing (or whatever brace needs to be done), and they look clean, I won't downrate for them.

 

I find making wooden supports unimaginably hard and time consuming. But, I guess I can understand downrating if they aren't used correctly, but if they look fine and aren't just slapped on, why do people bother even mentioning them?

[Guest]

Because as I said, most of the time they are just slapped on and proper steps aren't taken to make them look as they should.

 

What I consider proper use of prefab supports are Riscit's Canobie Corkscrew, where the steps were taken to make them realistic and proper. Had he not linked them together and made them look realistic, I'd consider them sub par at best.

[Calaway Park]

Because as I said, most of the time they are just slapped on and proper steps aren't taken to make them look as they should.

 

What I consider proper use of prefab supports are Riscit's Canobie Corkscrew, where the steps were taken to make them realistic and proper. Had he not linked them together and made them look realistic, I'd consider them sub par at best.

 

But even then, I've seen people whine that they used prefabs.

[Wishmaster]

On wooden coasters I always use auto supports, but I add a few steel beams on places where they would be added in real life.

 

On steel coasters I don't use prefab because they just aren't that easy to use on compact rides, and they just don't look realistic.

[IwantRevenge]

I hate prefabs becuase they show me the person has no pride in their work. It tell me that you just spent all that time (What ever it may be) working on a layout and you don't "feel" like making custom supports so you just slap on a few perfabs.

 

I also noticed you mentioned they looks the same as customs, they really don't, a prefab straight support has all of these flanges and a square connector which cannot be done with custom support.

 

As for wooden supprots it's okay becuase custom wooden supports take too long! (for me too long is about 2 weeks!).

 

In a nutshell Customs supports just make it look like you don't like the the coaster you just built and want to get it out there as quickly as possible.

[EuroTre]

I usually don't care about supports. If I'm going to post a track to here, it would probably be a woodie because I have no skill at designing supports, prefab or custom.

[RollerC]

I usually mix. I always use some prefab and then I also make my own custom ones. But I don't downrate. It's pointless. You might as well downrate them for using prefab inversions.

[IwantRevenge]

I usually don't care about supports. If I'm going to post a track to here, it would probably be a woodie because I have no skill at designing supports, prefab or custom.

 

you don't need skill designing supports...just start by copying off oter coasters.

 

http://www.nolimitsdevcenter.net/i25526

 

Thats my newest coaster those supprot son the lift are from EGF.

 

I usually mix. I always use some prefab and then I also make my own custom ones. But I don't downrate. It's pointless. You might as well downrate them for using prefab inversions.

 

That probably worse, if you can make custom supports for half the track why can't you do the other half? did it taunt you? are you mad at the other half?

 

And inversions are the same, I don't expect an NL n00b to be able to make custom inversions, but if you have a guy whos been making coasters for a year at least...he sohuld be able to make custom inversions (although thats not what the thread is about.)

[ParkTrips]

There should be a war on the caps lock key. Please don't use all caps in a post or a message title, its very annoying.

[Guest]

And inversions are the same, I don't expect an NL n00b to be able to make custom inversions, but if you have a guy whos been making coasters for a year at least...he sohuld be able to make custom inversions (although thats not what the thread is about.)

 

I have been using NL since late 2004 and I still can't make any type of inversion or steel coaster element.

 

As for wooden supprots it's okay becuase custom wooden supports take too long! (for me too long is about 2 weeks!).

 

I hate prefabs becuase they show me the person has no pride in their work. It tell me that you just spent all that time (What ever it may be) working on a layout and you don't "feel" like making custom supports so you just slap on a few perfabs.

 

I consider spending only 2 weeks on your ride a very short amount of time. If you really care about your rides, you spend months and months to get them perfect. I don't care if a support job would take a year to do on a coaster (wood or steel), if the supports on the ride aren't realistic enough to work, I dock for them. Now I'm much more willing to upvote for sloppy custom wood or steel supports because I seen an effort was made. However when I see a ride with all prefabs or autosupports, I usually won't download (or I'll mark down, since I consider it a lack of effort).

[IwantRevenge]

^thats 2weeks to do the prelift which was a small 5 ft drop out of the station. People work at diffrent speed, mey coaster usually take me 2 weeks to finish everything.

[Calaway Park]

^thats 2weeks to do the prelift which was a small 5 ft drop out of the station. People work at diffrent speed, mey coaster usually take me 2 weeks to finish everything.

 

People work at different speeds, I assumed the same thing a while ago, when I hand-built all of my coasters, but now my coasters take me months to perfect, I tool-build now. But this also works in conjunction with the world of prefab supports, I've heard people complain about just having the SINGLE support, the little line, not detailed, the SINGLE support. There's no use, instead of click, click, drag it's just a single "click." If you're working on a coaster for that long, do you really think you'd like to get screamed at for using a single prefab?

[Guest]

^thats 2weeks to do the prelift which was a small 5 ft drop out of the station. People work at diffrent speed, mey coaster usually take me 2 weeks to finish everything.

 

I don't mean it like that. I mean the level of detail/realism that can be reached in a few months is far greater than that of a few weeks. I realize everyone works at their own speed, but still, extra time should be taken to add the little details that matter.

[IwantRevenge]

^thats 2weeks to do the prelift which was a small 5 ft drop out of the station. People work at diffrent speed, mey coaster usually take me 2 weeks to finish everything.

 

People work at different speeds, I assumed the same thing a while ago, when I hand-built all of my coasters, but now my coasters take me months to perfect, I tool-build now. But this also works in conjunction with the world of prefab supports, I've heard people complain about just having the SINGLE support, the little line, not detailed, the SINGLE support. There's no use, instead of click, click, drag it's just a single "click." If you're working on a coaster for that long, do you really think you'd like to get screamed at for using a single prefab?

 

Becuase if you can take that long on your coaster you could take jsut a bit longer to make it look better and make some custom supports, what a week to a month? take the extra week and make the effort at supports.

[DATman]

I thought it was about the ride itself, not how it looks. Now, I do use custom supports for my steel coasters, but for woodies, I honestly don't see the point, as it really isn't about what's holding up the ride, but the ride...

[Guest]

But, it is. To be considered a realistic ride, the ride has to feel realistic, as well as be built realistic. This, 99% of the time, is never accomplished with basic/a preset pattern on the auto supporter.

 

I'm much more willing to up rate a sloppy custom supporting job too, if I see effort, rather than doing nothing at all.

[DATman]

^But it isn't about realism. It's a computer game meant for people to have fun on. I honestly don't see what the fuss is about...

[IwantRevenge]

I thought it was about the ride itself, not how it looks. Now, I do use custom supports for my steel coasters, but for woodies, I honestly don't see the point, as it really isn't about what's holding up the ride, but the ride...

 

Well supprots are a big part of the ride, if you use weak supports then it won't stay up, which is why it's important to have strong supports, and simply putting on pre-fabs isn't enough

[Guest]

^But it isn't about realism. It's a computer game meant for people to have fun on. I honestly don't see what the fuss is about...

 

It's a simulation, not a game. Some people (myself included) consider building/riding the most realistic ride possible to be fun.

[DATman]

^But to others, it is a game. I mean, does it truly matter as much as people make it out to be? In the end, no matter how much fun the whole thing is, it still isn't real...

 

But I digress...