KDCOASTERFAN

If you go up the lift on a standard floorless coaster you'll see small platforms hanging off the railing at various intervals,maintenance crews simply place these platforms in front of each row of seats & the guests step out onto them. On a side note during construction how are lift chains installed on B&M inverts & flyers? Unlike the SLC the chain doesn't appear to run on the top side of the spine on it's way back down to the base of the lift.

Those colors look alwful similar to the shades used on Dominator,I guess CF likes those colors because they've proven to work well with their other rides & is DEFINITELY an improvement.

It's the parks that are requesting the plant to conceal the project information in an effort to keep their new rides secret until they are officially announced,I & a few others have pointed this out several times already. What with the net & cell cams growing ever more popular it's getting harder for parks to conceal their projects,gone are the days when you would go to a park on year & see an empty field & the next season that field would have a shiny new coaster sitting in it.

It did the same thing to me when riding the LC side last season but it wasn't as bad on the WW side however.

That could be the permits for the slides already built,remember when they added tornado the permits weren't filed until AFTER the ride was built.Still I wouldn't doubt it if they're taking the old "let's just put another cheapo slide in" route as it saves them the money needed to continue to pay for SFMM's & other favored park's new toys for 2010 & beyond. The fact that the focus has been soley on the water park side for a better half of the decade says to my that they're really considering following CF's example with GL.Naturally more people are drawn to the water park side with new slides every two years while the ride side has been pretty much left to rot with NO new rides added in what is it now? SIX years & the precious few rides the park has are being removed one after the other leaving guests with the impression that SFI just doesn't care about the place anymore.

Well if you look at things this way it looks like only the newer hypers have lost the pre-drop off of the lift,while just about every other model B&M have produced still use a pre-drop element...then again unlike the hypers most of B&M's loopers usually have a 180 degree curving drop with the exception of a couple of models.

Well they should after all because Carowinds,along with the former Paramount parks could certainly use it....especially if they hope to bring them up to CF standards.

On NE, I'm collecting ideas for new additions to BGAsia. I lost inspiration, and I demolished a substantial chunk of it. It needs a makeover, especially in India. While I'm waiting to figure out how to rebuild, I'm gonna build this park. I typically encounter the same sort of problem....a bad case of builder's block.I've got this one park that I started a while back with a decent main midway & leftside midway but have drawn a total blank on how to fill in the righthand side of the park so I just shelved it. BTW anyone know where I can get the supports used on superman in the pic on page 2? I hope they're easy to use compared to some of the other custom supports out there.

That's why 2007 was my LAST season wasting anymore time & money in this pathetic excuse for an amusement park.Chances are SFA will just go the way of GL,otherwise we'd be seeing SFI planning out new installations to replace the rides that have been removed rather than building makeshift stages or dressing rooms on their pads instead as a cheap coverup.

Funny how,in 99 SFI intended to make SFA into a flagship park,per the article & yet the screwed it up.They started off ok but when the focus changed from fixing up the former Premiere park properties to "ohh we've gotta give SFMM,SFGRAM & SFGRADV a new ride every other year" that effort stopped & the park's operations,maintenance,capacity & finally attendance has suffered to the point where SFI says "ohh the park isn't worth investing in any longer" & it continues to deteriorate year after year to the point where they'll probably close it within a few more seasons at most just like CF was forced to do with GL after SFI ruined it.

I don't think that UT would fit in that area as it's got a huge footprint lengthwise.Perhaps a spinner would go in better over there but given the removals without replacement rides the park has seen over the last few years I doubt it. Hate to say it but I believe that the park's days are numbered & SFI will someday follow CF's example in Ohio with GL by shutting the ride park down & liquidating the assets.

Also there is somethings else that supports this theory. Batman The Ride is the only yellow track coaster of the park, and it will be repainted to change the colors at the moment unknown. The boomerang coaster is now at this process and will change from red track to purple, and blue supports to green. I have no more arguments, but as all theorys, this is one possibility. Changing color schemes on an existing coaster isn't proof of anything,after all SFA repainted their SLC yellow & orange in 05 while,halfway across the park there's another yellow coaster known as Batwing. This ride is not for SFM,they already have a hyper so the production schedule doesn't fit & SFI is not in the financial position to afford expensive rides from B&M at the present time.

Aren't Vekoma's the cheaper worse version of the inverteds? I thought that Superman The Not Clone at SF Great America was the first inverted. Correct,vekoma's SLC prototype debutted in 94 as El Condor...some 2 years after B&M's prototype at SFGRAM.

True but SFA could've let them use that shot seeing as UT is/was the only one of it's kind in the US.Notice in the "after" pic that the wheel covers are red when it was repainted green while at SFAW?

This made me start thinking Ultra Twister but I was also thinking B&M. These are the links to the Ultra Twister cars: premier rides site and rcdb What do you think? Could Ultra Twister finally make its long awaited debut? [/img] I've known for a while that Premier rides makes parts for the togo heartline coaster but if SFA were to try obtaining the needed parts from them then they would've done so by now considering the fact that the ride has been sitting there rusting away for over three years now.

Depends greatly on which side or RY that you ride....for me the left side,or "lake charles side" as I've dubbed it was HORRID in 08 with major jackhammering on the drops just before the turnaround.Perhaps springloaded upstops would solve that problem? not just on RY but on all of the park's woodies with the exception of ghoster coaster. What's with the lack of love for the Grizz? Sure the ride kinda beats you up but in a good way when compared to Hurler & I happen to love the pacing of the ride with the brief breaks in the action & last but not least you just can't beat that headchopper tunnel coming off of the bunnyhill following the drop off of that first slow curve....no matter how many times I ride it I always find myself ducking through that section of the course.

All we know at this point is that Carowinds will get a coaster in 2010,we don't know yet what type let alone manufacturer that the ride will be from however. Sure we can speculate til the cows come home on where that track at the Ohio plant is going for but we have no way to confirm that it's headed for Carowinds at this point in time.

Forget about a petition to retrack Hurler,let's get one started to tear that darn butt ugly,painful piece of firewood down to make way for something better.

Perhaps they're getting their own floorless rather than a mega for 2010? I just don't see CF spending that much capital on a massive project like a hyper for Carowinds,but a mid sized floorless is a possibility especially given how Dominator was so well recieved last season at KD.

It's probably the latter rather than the former.I'm sure that the plant probably contracts out their drivers to do the actual shipping.

From what I understand the information was shared to a select group of people behind closed doors. B&M has had these kinds of meetings at IAAPA in the past. That is how they showed the Flying coaster concept to Six Flags at IAAPA in 2000. They saw it during the presentation and signed the contract the next day for Superman at SFOG. That's odd because if B&M had a meeting with SFI on the flyer prototype as early as 2000 then why did they sign a deal with vekoma to purchase the two remaining flying dutchman models left over from the paramount/vekoma exclusivity contract for installation the very next season? Back on topic: I now think it may be virtually impossible to figure out where this ride is going,it may still be a project for 2010 though that's being produced early to meet a tight construction schedule & what with all of the issues that the plant has had with people being able to figure out where their products are going who knows? in the future they may have to resort to A:storing completed track inside the factory or B: restricting access to the areas surrounding the plant's property to keep us enthusiasts from being able to photgraph the customer labels,let alone the track itself....just my .002 cents.

Unlikely. Cedar Fair is afraid of log flumes. Not likely as KD has done some extensive remodeling work on their flume within the last year or so.

Probably not,otherwise it would say "Dubai" on the customer info,much like the Chimelong paradise coasters did. If it weren't for us nosey enthusiasts then the plant wouldn't have been requested by domestic customers to conceal the destination of their products.Prior to this setback we never spent time trying to decipher just what model the track was for as we just would wait for the park to announce it.

All of the elements after the lift seem to be listed simply as "track element" while,as shown in the B:TDK pic that lifthill segments have the listing simply as "lift element". I'm fairly confident that this is a standard looping model & not a standup but that still doesn't solve the mystery of just where this ride is going unfortunately.

Yes,I do as a matter of fact as back in 2000 I had a friend make a print out of the zoning board review for Batwing & while they never mentioned the project as anything but the 2001 coaster at that point it had the same ID number as the originally proposed and approved stand up coaster...attraction # 37. Attraction #36 on that list is still undetermined(not that current management is even following that outdated site plan) whereas PBR was the LAST theme park ride they installed some 6 years ago...since then it's been nothing but SFGRADV,SFMM & SFGRAM getting the bulk of the new rides every season. Edit: The balloon ferris wheel has been there since the Adventure World era so the 120 ft. ferris wheel,along with the remaining rides on that list have long since been abandoned.