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1. What are your initial thoughts? Good for park "locals", bad for park "commuters". 2. Can you think of anything else we could be offering? ERT on Giant Dipper in Santa Cruz 3. Is this something that interests you? If it's the only way to obtain ERT then yes; otherwise no. 4. Why would you NOT be interested in this? Too much like the other massive unmentionable organization. Costs about the same too. 5. Any additional feedback you can give us based on the information you see here. Concerned that "membership dues" of the masses would be put toward lowering the cost of individual events that are not equitably attended (for example Europe and Asia). The best laid plans—(fill in your own imaginative ending). Tread carefully on the slippery slope, Robb...

Oh yeah, they serve alcohol there. I'm too used to SFMM. Well, for what it's worth, Napa is only about 20 minutes to the North; although tasting in Napa would cost more than drinking at SFDK. Thanks,

I should re-phrase: If someone registers, then fails to arrive on time to the event, will the registration be held at Guest Relations or will it be forfeit? I guess I could show up early and then go wine-tasting or something. Thanks for the reply.

I'd like to attend the ERT, but would rather skip the morning (and the long day at SFDK on "Furlough Friday" with 90,000 State Employees). Does registration have to be picked up in the morning or can it be picked up at Will Call or something?

So... I'm going to S. Korea for the month of October (assuming there aren't any nukes being flung around) and I hear that Everland has a pretty good Intamin woodie. How is it? I've heard that Balder is better. I've also heard that El Toro is better. However, a few of you also say that T Rex (or whatever it's called) kicks butt on the other Intamin woodies. Please enlighten me. I need to plan how many days to spend there (Everland). I've never been on any of the Intamin woodies. (I already know the Arrow suspended is supposed to be A-#1, so I'm really intrigued with the prospect of an Arrow coaster finally doing itself justice (besides X or X2)) Kamsahamnida, George

Well said, Robb! A few other differences to note: Notice the difference in the average age of an ACE group and that of a TPR group. Also, an ACE group will have about 10%-30% of its members riding through the end of ERT, while a TPR group will have more like 90%-95% riding through end of ERT (see age difference-above). Hmmm, there's also the attitude difference (rigidity) that comes with age. I've witnessed a not insignificant number of ACE individuals with bad (IMO) attitudes towards others - including their fellow members. I have not seen this with the WCB crowd. All said though, ACE still has the advantage of offering more 1-day semi-local (west coast) ERT events per year than TPR, so I take the ecclectic approach and attend both (though I'm reluctant to wear any kind of ACE logos to events where people are familiar with the stereotype).

Sorry for the confusion. What I meant was that I hope the WCB does not start to draw so many people that the ERT becomes overly crowded. I wasn't referring to general public time at all. My party doesn't feel a need to ride any coasters after about 11 am anyway, since there's nighttime ERT. I once went to a CoasterCon with ACE a few years back and the queues during ERT were WAY longer than at the regular park time, so it really became pointless to attend the ERT (with ACE, that is).

I think it might be more crowded this year. Last year was before the majority of spring breaks had begun. Not that it matters too much. You can always get X2 and Tatsu at ERT in the morning and get the rest by lunch. When the gates open to the public head counter clockwise from Goliath. I beg to differ... I think it's best to start at the rope next to Tatsu, and head straight up to Ninja and Superman, then straight down to Deja Vu (if running), then clockwise through Batman—1-train usually so you'd better get there EARLY — then Riddler, Colossus/Scream, and Goliath. It was earlier last year, this year it is at the beginning of most schools spring break(s). I would guess it will be more crowded than last year. Hopefully I'm wrong... But yes, you should easily be able to do all the coasters. Hi Gregg! Hope you are going and we can meet up... If it's hideously crowded, we should all beg Robb to hold it earlier next year... Otherwise we should reconsider future attendance as we will be approaching the same misery as ACE has with their events' enormous queue lines. We don't want that to happen... RIGHT??? (think... EWT... exclusive wait time... yes... it may be coming sooooooon... ) just kidding---hopefully ADMIN EDIT: Please do not double post. If you wish to add information to a topic in which you are the last poster, please edit your previous post.

There is a Forest Service campground off of "The Old Rd" about 5 miles north called "Oak Hollow" or something like that. It's along the frontage road between the dam and the nearest exit south of the dam (Templin Hwy?) It used to be free but I don't know about nowadays. If you can stand pit toilets... I'd camp there again any day.

Thanks Robb,

She's barely 4, but could pass for 3. (She has her own season pass.)

I'm not sure if this is the right forum, so forgive me if the post is in the wrong place. My family of 5 will be attending WCB in March. One of us is only a toddler. The adults normally rotate out watching our child while the others partake in ERT. Is the toddler required to pay the $30 registration fee even though she cannot ride any of the coasters? Thanks Everyone, -GR

Yeah, I should've gotten a better look at their badges. We figured my daughter was too young to copycat their language yet, so we let 'em go after the bottom of the ramp. (Oh, and it was during morning ERT, about 20-30 min before general public came in.) Still though, you can't isolate your kids from the real world forever... especially at a place like SFMM where everybody's jaded to the entertainment industry's continuous portrayals of sex, drugs, smoking, intolerance, violence, selfishness, destruction, and yes—cursing. Looking forward to this year's event, and next year's when the new "woodie" should be up and running.

Last year, while my 3 year old daughter was waiting below at "Rapids Camp", Some Jack A.. who was on Tatsu with us decided to allow his teenage kids to cuss up a storm whilst riding Tatsu with us - Mom and Dad of the underlying Daughter mentioned above - and this was extremely disappointing. We "tailed" the "DAD" of these one or two deviant kids for a few minutes after riding to see if they got reprimanded at all for their extreme potty-mouth whilst on the ride. (They got nothing less than ENCOURAGEMENT afterwards - I might add...) Anyway, I hope that all the adult chaperones out there who plan on attending this year will discourage their kids from screaming obscenities at the tops of their lungs while cruising through the gee forces that are supposed to be enjoyable on the rides this year... You people with teenagers riding with you really need to jerk the choke collars once in a while... Okay, now that that's out of the way, kudos to the other 99.999% of the TPR'rs who behave appropriately on the annual outing. Thank you all for your mature and responsible behaviour. I just hope that some day it will become socially acceptable to publicly reprimand the 0.0001% of the public who make no attempt to repair the trash caused by the extreme few. Sorry for the crap talk but I just had to let it fly - in much the same way as the inconsiderate family that I had the displeasure of riding Tatsu with last year...may they not attend this year. ... On to the next poster and forget I ever said anything at all... (downer posts suck, you know)

That's pretty dang funny. Domokun must have been acquired from a Korea trip? Sounds a lot like "donkumon". "Kumon" means hole. You can guess the rest. He looks like a kiwi-monster!

Thanks for the best ERT session ever!!! Thanks Robb, et al. If anyone goes to ACE's day at SFMM, please report back whether they opened everything up for them as well. Regarding the bathrooms: My wife and I saw plenty of disgusting bathrooms throughout the day. They would really benefit from installing automatic flushing toilets. Sorry we had to leave the presentations early (hungry fussy 2 year old with us). It was a nice shock to hear upon our return that all the coaster were open for us. We'll definitely be back next year.

My family and I really miss Edo Guidotti's (sp?) soundtrack. Rode the soft-open in December - didn't have the photo thing in the video yet. I agree the ending is anti-climatic. I still like it for the "Matrix"-like number tunnel and the geometric arrays of lights above you as you descend. Has anyone posted a POV yet?

Well, they'd better honor the fri**in parking pass... I'll now have to print out the internet page where it says it can be purchased at the "toll booth" as well as any other pertinent web page info. Incompetence annoys me to no end... Leave it to 6-Flags... (not that the best don't have their down days) (take them with a grain of salt)

It must have been the old PTC, since I didn't go into Bugs' world. I'm not a big carousel fan either, but my daughter loves them. I just hate to see neglect and graffiti. Will be back in March, Se ya!

Just saw most recent post.. yeah, the chain driven one was the Dragon. So, did they remove the cable driven, inclined, air conditioned, elevator railway thing? I could have sworn they put it back after they built Tatsu. (Though I'm no local, so I'll have to defer to the experts.)

enter park, turn right so you're facing the Revolution's loop, Funicular was the original name of the inclined railway to the left of the loop. I think it's called Orient Express or something now (which was originally the name of a deceased chain driven people-mover sort of ride up and down the back of the mtn). Anyway, I had just driven a long time and needed to leave in a hurry. It may be that the big carousel was closed and they had a small junky one running nearby or something. I guess I really wasn't paying that much attention - just enough to notice the lack of music, the graffiti, and the drab central pillar. old aerial of SFMM entry area

Are we talking about the same carousel here? The one by the funicular train entrance? It has graffiti scratched on the horses, and NO MUSIC! The center pillar is made of primer painted wood paneling. I thought they had a better one than that. Maybe they moved it or something... Or I just didn't go deep enough - I was parked in the 15 minute zone...

At least sfmm had the carousel open over the weekend... Took our 2 -3 yr old for birthday trip from Sat thru Tue to DL with a brief stopover to sfmm to pick up season passes, and 2 spins on the (pathetic) carousel - on the way to the high-and-mighty Disneyland only to find that the primary carousel (King Arthur's) was closed for business throughout our visit (not to mention Small World - which we already knew about.) The only consolation was the 'fish-go-round' at CA Advntr. mod edit: removed the off-topic stuff. Please post that as its own topic.-Joey

Oh, sorry, Should have scrolled down before prematurely posting the question. My bad. Sucks that they would freeze the Yeti. I'm very disappointed with that. I assume that there would be no "bird on a stick" as well? Do they also shut off the steam effects at the stations?

"EE was in B mode, which I found to be quite full of suckage. I almost missed the Yeti altogether." Can anyone fill me in on this "B-mode" thing at Expedition Everest? Do they shut down certain effects for light attendance days? I have seen this on Indiana Jones in CA and on certain wet rides where they can control how many "spouts" are operating depending on how hot it is.