Jump to content
  TPR Home | Parks | Twitter | Facebook | YouTube | Instagram 


  • Posts

  • Joined

  • Last visited

Everything posted by SeaWhippet

  1. I just happened upon some older Carowinds material and thought I would toss it out there. First up is Schwarzkopf's White Lightnin', a ride that should NEVER have been removed in the first place. Though it's called the Golden Loop and still runs today in Africa, I wish it had remained at Carowinds. That part of the park has always seemed rather "dead" since it's departure. The second major part of this post is the old Jetstream trains that Thunder Road originally opened with. I always wondered about Carowinds' connection to Riverview and how this deal went down. In any case, these trains were beautiful and incredibly comfortable. They were built in-house by the Riverview staff for the John Allen-designed Jetstream, which operated 1964-67. After several years of running on TRoad, it was determined that the excessive weight was too much for the structure and they were replaced with standard PTC three-benchers. Though I've searched for these trains for years, I was finally told by a longtime maintenance worker that they were buried in a landfill that is now home to the Hurler. I hope this isn't true but removing that ride to find out is sure an enticing thought ... Though Carowinds is getting Geauga Lake's used Boomerang in 2009, I've heard that a second large project will be taking place during the season, and this could mean the end of the Arrow log flume. Perhaps this is the BIG announcement planed for 2010 ... Ah, the good old days -- The Sternwheeler AND a sky ride. This view today reveals BorgHawk, another hand-me-down. ::sigh:: Sponsored by Eastern Airlines! RIP EA Those cushy seats were like big sofas! 1976 Grand Opening 1976 The Lift in 1979 If you look closely, you can see the auto fronts on the trains have been replaced by the big "V" that ran at Riverview. 1979 1979 1979 White Lightnin' postcard
  2. Yep, Playland's Coaster is a sweet I machine. I just finished a big 50th anniversary piece for Amusement Today's IAAPA issue. You're quite lucky to have two of the rarest and most entertaining woodies on the planet so close together up there! Below are two shots used in the story. Love that ride!
  3. Yeah, I'll miss going with you guys there. Dreier is the ONLY major Schwarzkopf I haven't ridden. Take Lots of vid & pics and give Laser a hug for me. Don't forget that big woodie at the back of the park! Get some fresh vid of it too. I LOVE that ride. As for Thriller, I call into the park now. I just hope it wasn't damaged by last week's hurricane ... -Have fun! -Scott
  4. Well ... I thought that since you had the park angle pretty much all cinched up, I should concentrate on what I know best ---> Coasters! Though Like I said, I'll toss in a random ride here and there ... something that snares my wandering attention. There are plenty of those out there ... -S
  5. I'll try to address a few of the questions instead of a bunch of individual posts: Schwarzkopf had nothing to do with Alpen-Flug. In fact he had only disdain for it, saying that Messerschmidt building this ride would be like his company trying to design airplanes and helicopters. The BBW project, that Arrow eventually completed, would have looked a lot different if Schwarzkopf had finished it. This is mainly in the track design and vehicles. Anton's FlugBahn featured a finned pipe track with larger 7-seat cars (see photo below). If Messerschmidt had spent the Marks and used Stengel's original calculations to properly bank the track, this ride (and the duplicate under construction) could've lasted much longer. Arrow's Bat, built several years after the Alpen-Flug debacle, suffered from many of the same problems. ... specifically, little to no banking on the turns. They MUST have been aware of the fate of the German ride but chose to ignore history's lessons. Thankfully, they got it right on BBW. Oh, and someone said something about Alpen-Flug's braking system. Believe it or not, those fins on the bottom of the cars (unlike the Bat) were only used for moving the trains around via tire friction drives. The braking was moved up to the long steel bars located between the wheels above the seats. There were several block brakes located on the course, but were situated up on the track itself. Yes, Shane, I agree that the Alpen-Flug track looks a lot like what Schwarzkopf used on the Mindbender and Shockwave. Since AF predated those rides, I would guess that Werner Stengel is responsible for this. It's a very strong but expensive track to build and I doubt that Messerschmidt had the good sense to come up with such a design on its own. I'm just sayin ... Did I miss anything? -S
  6. Though many think the infamous Bat at Kings Island was the first modern suspended coaster, that wonderfully violent machine was preceded by the equally bizarre and short-lived Alpen-Flug. Designed by German aircraft manufacturer Messerschmidt with calculations supplied by Werner Stengel, Alpen-Flug premiered at the 1975 Oktoberfest in Munich. Utilizing five 6-car trains, Alpen-Flug was an incredibly thrilling ride experience, performing far better than anyone expected. But at the end of the fair, it was found that the ride suffered from severe structural damage, especially in the area around the turns. This design flaw was a direct result of the deliberate under-banking of the track on the turns – a cost-saving measure chosen by Messerschmidt and vehemently condemned by Werner Stengel. So upset by Messerschmidt’s decision to ignore his very specific advice to bank the track per his calculations, Stengel left the project. During my interview with Stengel, when he supplied these images from his personal collection, he described the ride as very, very thrilling and intense … particularly in the lateral swinging in the transitions. Still, he knew the ride couldn’t survive since Messerschmidt ignored his instructions on track banking. Alpen-Flug, along with a duplicate that was already under construction, is another strange ride lost to history. I wish someone would come forward with film of this intriguing ride in operation. It must exist somewhere … Until then, enjoy these beautiful images of one of the oddest roller coasters ever created. Train #2 struts its stuff! Train #2 showing wheel assemblies and connectors. How minimalist is this? Did IKEA build these trains? Train #2 with headlights blazing plows into an unbanked turn. Hang on!!!!!!!! Train #2 ascends lift. Note lower fin guide rain has been added. Train enters unload platform. Test train (sans roofs) heads toward lift. Note fins beneath cars that will be propelled by friction tires (bottom left) onto lift. Train # 2 awaiting more sandbags ... err ... passengers. From the construction crane, unload platform is on the left ... main station is dead ahead.
  7. Yep, the only ones. The stock on the Vancouver ride was built by Carl Phare, who -- quote obviously -- borrowed HEAVILY from the Fred Church School of Coaster Design. Thunder Road's original trains were built by Riverview personnel specifically for that's park's final coaster, Jetstream. I loved those as well but they were WAY too heavy and tore the hell out of the track. I was told by an old park maint. guy that those beauties are buried under the Hurler. I say ... burn down that piece of junk and dig up those trains!
  8. No, the previous poster is correct. The Puyallup Coaster opened as a side friction ride around 1935 and was later converted (with an altered profile) after a fire in the late 40s. The original trains were lost in fire and it was discovered by Walker LeRoy (who built the Vancouver Playland Coaster) that the Happyland Giant Dipper trains (all three!) were available after that ride was dismantled for a new race track 1947. They were brought south to Washington and Coaster's track was built specifically by LeRoy to accommodate the flanged wheels. They are the only Fred Church trains in operation. -S
  9. I agree Coaster is an amazing ride. And those three glorious trains are the ONLY remaining Fred Church-designed rolling stock still operating anywhere on the planet. They came from the Happyland Giant Dipper, which used to sit across the way from the current Coaster at Playland in Vancouver. LOVE this ride!
  10. What's so bad about it is that if this clueless loser had slipped and fallen between the cars or out of the train, it could bring unfounded/uneducated accusations that Coaster was unsafe and had "killed" a rider. Of course, it would be an appropriate 'thinning of the herd' event, but that's beside the point. He would've deserved the consequences; Coaster would not. More than likely, an investigation would've have concluded that additional safey measures should have been in place so this "rider" could not have gotten out his seat in the first place. That could translate into the addition of seat belts, individual locking lap bars, seat dividers, etc. Who knows, it could've meant the loss of those spectacular one-of-a-kind trains OR the ride itself. Playland's excellent Coaster has operated for 50 years with a stellar safety record. This flounder from the shallow end of the gene pool could've ended that in heartbeat. It's happened many times before where a coaster was ruined ... horribibly ... changed through no fault of its own -- Texas Cyclone, Colossus, Revolution, Rattler ... the list goes on and on. The moral of this story: Remain seated and enjoy your ride.
  11. I actually did the interview because of a piece I'm working on -- Flying Turns history -- and wanted to know what went down with Arrow's version. We ended up talking about a LOT of stuff, including KI's Bat and the BBW/Anton connection. Part of the latter showed up in a story that appeared in First Drop about the short-lived AlpenFlug suspended coaster at Oktoberfest 1975 (that'll be coming out The Closet soon ...). I need to transcribe the whole interview, which is in digital form at the moment. I'll see what else he said and share later.
  12. Where can I find that interview? Old Rose in Titanic: "He exists now only in my memory ..." ...Actually, I taped the whole thing. Ron and I talked about a potential book about Arrow Development and its later incarnations (Huss/Dynamics). We discussed that and many other things. He really is a living encyclopedia of industry info as well as a true gentleman. Quite amazing. I hope one day to see this project come to fruition. -S
  13. Unlike Lost, The Closet will not feature any wonky flash-forwards, flash-sideways or quick-cut edits to any Dharma-related installation. It's all about funky retro wonderfulness. Yeah, baby, yeah! -S Locke: Is he talking about what I think he was talking about? Ben: If you mean time traveling bunnies, then yes.
  14. Hey Kalvin, Thanks for asking. I'm actually assembling the first 'episode' right now. I hope to have it up by this weekend but a trip down to SFOG for a dose of Mindbender and pumpkins might delay it by a day or so. I'll get things rolling soon. Gotta keep up with Shane in The Attic! -S
  15. Nothing will be changed, this video is not new, and probably has been brought to their attention. I've heard of many employees riding with the safety bar unlocked, so honestly, I don't think they'll care all that much. Actually, they (park officials) care VERY much. It would be irresponsible for them not to. In fact, I just received a note from Playland's Laura Balance about this very subject. Part of the text is here: "Yes, I agree its really unfortunate. The video is many years old - but sadly continues to live on YouTube. I submitted requests to have the video pulled in the past as a safety concern, without success." She says the video is an older one, despite that it was only posted on YouTube just 11 months ago. In any case, if this guy gets his deathwish I hope he bites the dust somewhere OTHER than Playland.
  16. Loch Ness is such a timeless ride. The Lair is the only part of the course that doesn't work (for me). I wish Arrow would've added something a bit more thrilling like a couple of speed bumps (like the old GA Turn of The Century clones) through the woods before the second lift. My fav part of that vid -- besides the multiple shots of trains in the loops together -- was that rockin' 70s Shaft/porn flick soundtrack! Hey, I think I saw myself in one of those clips! And Shane, I agree that Ron T. is a great guy. I've known him for years. I actually got a great interview with him last fall where he talks about a number of things including Arrow's failed Flying Turns and taking over Big Bad Wolf for our other pal, Anton. I'm preparing my first post from Season II of The Closet! -Scott
  17. Has anyone else posted this? If so, sorry ... but I thought others should see it. I can only imagine what will happen to the restraints on Coaster's wonderful Carl Phare trains if this guy does it again (or someone copycats) and gets mulched into ground chuck beneath those flanged wheels. The park "seems" to be closed (or dead) that day, so I'm wondering if this is a Playland employee. Notice how he releases the restraints during the lift ascent on his car and the one in front. He knew exactly what he was doing ... I don't like seeing good coasters get bad reps from losers like this. -Scott
  18. Wow, what a sweet shot. SDL looks all Revolution-like. BTW I rode it –SDL – this summer for the first time in many years. It was so wonderful to sit down in a roomy Schwarzkopf train, pull down a simple ratcheting lap bar and be dispatched. I miss the past ... -Scott
  19. I personally think they picked great actresses to replace the 2 that left the movie, and are out-doing the movie itself. We go out every thursday to watch it at the bar and make an evening out of it. Makes it a totally different experience. (Especially after a couple drinks. LOL) I just love Sissy!!!!!!!!!! Anyway, back on topic... this is probably my favorite thread on here because everything you share is from the era when I was most into theme parks, just brings back good memories! FYI -- Like The Attic, Scott's Amusement Closet is ramping up for Season II as well. Since Shane does such a fab job with covering the parks and such, I think I will re-tool The Closet to be geared more toward classic roller coasters (wood & steel). I sort of do that anyway. but I'm just sayin' ... Oh, and I LOVE the new Sordid Lives. Though I like DB, I think Caroline Rhea does a great job. ... especially when she's frantically looking for her "oven mitt" "Would you like a Valium?" -S
  20. Hey Cyclone37! No, you're not alone in your manual brake fascination. As you can see, there are plenty of us! Wow, I envy your gig as a Cyclone operator. Cherish those memories and feel free to post a few pics of the Cyclone's station/brake area (and any other part of the ride for that matter!). Sadly, despite all my time in the UK, the Cyclone is the one that I missed. It looked like a great ride. -S
  21. I recall seeing a "half" version of this ride somewhere many years ago. I can't remember the fair, but it was basically the same thing but the little mini-enterprise went from horizontal to vertical and then back down again. It was called UFO and though interesting to watch, it was not my cup 'o tea. -S Hello! Sorry for my late answer. As for the UFO ride, the manufacturer is a spanish company named Robles Bouso (i guess that´s the name of the owner). i haven´t managed to find out more facts than he/them/they´ve built a couple of paratrooper rides, octopus rides and so this UFO thing. They might have manufactured other rides also but these are the only one i could came up with right now. We actually had a RB Ufo travelling here in Sweden in the late 70´s. The ride came directly from the factory up to the north of Sweden. I´ll attach 2 pictures of it when it was brand new and 2 pictures from it´s new home, in Poland, taken 2007. Hope i didn´t got oo offtopic now. / Robert
  22. Dennis, Glad you enjoyed this one so much! And here I thought I was the only one with this shameful obsession. Oh, and cherish those memories you have of the West View coasters. Though I never to ride the Whippet, I did walk the tracks for an entire day the year before it came down. I loved the swoop from the valley up into the L-shaped brake run. Do you recall if there a one brakeman for each track or did one guy handle the operation? -S
  23. Robb, I know what you mean about The Dragon feeling like a Scenic Railway. It was built the year after the infamous Airplane as a more "traditional" ride. Seems the first Church ride was a bit too much for Playland's typical guest. As for the original trains, I feel it did give the ride a little more pep and seemed to handle the tracking better. The Morgan trains -- just as they do on both CA Giant Dippers -- subract "something" from the overall experience. One of my dreams is for someone to grab a train from the Puyallup Coaster (the only existing ride that still runs the original Church rolling stock) and sneak them onto the three remaining Church woodies. -S
  24. I assume you mean the Church trains in the thread's photo, right? The Morgan stock currently running on the ride (although sans seat belts) are a far cry from the Dragon's original trains. They were big, roomy, tracked oh so well ... and yes, rather sexy.
  25. Ok, I guess I should jump in here. THE best tunnel on a operational coaster is -- without equal -- the SCBB Giant Dipper. Such a steep entrance and then all that swirling and winding in the darkness. Pure brilliance! Thanks, Fred Church. The finale of the Coney Island Shooting Star (my first big woodie) was complete insanity. So much speed at the end of the circuit. It was amazing incredibly LOUD. Honorable mention should go to the Rocky Springs Wildcat. Though I never rode this one, I did walk the entire track in the mid-80s and I can't imagine how much fun that crazy 500-foot tunneled trip down into the ravine must've been. Especially in those big 4-bench PTC cars. Schmeck was a wicked, wicked man. -Scott
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use https://themeparkreview.com/forum/topic/116-terms-of-service-please-read/