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Headed up there with some friends tomorrow. I hope that I get to pick my seat on Banshee, but I'm not holding my breath. Hopefully the lines won't be so bad on Tuesday when a lot of schools are still in session. Still not sure what the best seat on the Beast is though.

Looks okay...I haven't been on Phoenix or this coaster so I have no comparison. Layout does not equal fun but hopefully I will get out to Knoebels one day.

I wonder if the demand for Intamin inverts are low or if Intamin just didn't really enjoy building inverts so much as wanting constantly push the envelope. (I pray for a U.S. Mega-Lite)

How would it be ironic since CP isn't a SF park? Aside from the "refurb" of t2, I'm pretty sure that's all the have planned for next summer. I don't know if they even have room for Mantis Because Kentucky Kingdom used to have a mirror version of Mantis with Chang...which is now Green Lantern at SFGAdv I guess so.. In any case, I don't want mantis at one of my closest parks

How would it be ironic since CP isn't a SF park? Aside from the "refurb" of t2, I'm pretty sure that's all the have planned for next summer. I don't know if they even have room for Mantis

I love that heart line through the rock. Very very cool

And you know this based on your how many years of experience designing and building roller coasters? I would certainly imagine the turnaround for a new coaster would largely depend on what kind it is. Also, I'm stupid so I'm probably wrong. All I'm saying is that I've seen projects get turned around faster than you can imagine. I mean, hi, the built Transformers at Universal Orlando in 10 months and that included the complete demolition of a building, new foundations, a new building that houses a two-story dark ride, a full themed queue AND a shop! Look how quickly they turned around Kentucky Kingdom which included a new roller coaster and a giant new water park area. All I'm saying is this - if a park (any park, not just CP) wanted to attempt to turn around a brand new ride in a few months, there are PLENTY of examples you can point to where a park has been successful at it. Yes, this is true, but its not fair to chastise moneygrabber just yet, as his post did have some basis to it. Most of the new rides announced for 2015 have already begun construction, CP would have to start in 2 months...thats a lot of catching up they would have to do. Yes, Transformers in Orlando was built in 10 months, BUT -it was a clone -Orlando is suitable for year-round construction -it did not involve any complex demolition, just ripping out a building on a city block and starting over Meanwhile Mantis would need a full disassembly, along with the time it takes to build a brand new ride (vs a clone where all the kinks have been smoothed out beforehand...sure a Mantis replacement could be a clone, but its unlikely given its footprint). Then you have to add to that the fact that its built in a marsh, in an odd plot of land. And then theres the fact that Midwest winters have a tendency to be pretty brutal and full of delays. Yes, KK did it and it was very impressive, but the infrastructure was mostly there and Lightning Run was built on a plot of flat asphalt rather than a swamp. I wont rule out the possibility of CP adding in a completely new roller coaster in Mantis' place, nor will I pretend to be an expert engineer. But I wouldnt discount the opinion that Mantis isnt going anywhere, either. Two things: 1. I've been around a LOT more theme park construction projects that I'm sure you probably have. Why would even bother to doubt what I had to say on the subject matter? 2. I highly doubt CP is getting a "new" coaster anyway, so why is this discussion even continuing? --Robb I certainly don't think he chastised me at all, and while I agree that Orlando is set up for great building potential year-round, the fact remains that Louisville, Kentucky isn't exactly ideal from November to March/April. I mean they refurbished an ENTIRE park. That's defnitely noteworthy and I didn't even think about it

Just watched the video again and the Grim Reaper asks "Ever wonder why you're not supposed to step on a Mantis?" Just trying to add more fuel to the speculation fire.

"In this case, it is." could also be a conversion hint, because it's easy to say goodbye when you're not actually saying goodbye. I thought they meant it's easy because it sucked

Floorless trains, but backwards.. "world's largest backwards looping coaster" Woah. That would interest me. I'll take this offer

^^^ Being from Kentucky I should feel bad for completely forgetting about this.

And you know this based on your how many years of experience designing and building roller coasters? I would certainly imagine the turnaround for a new coaster would largely depend on what kind it is. Also, I'm stupid so I'm probably wrong.

Especially with those winters, this is a good point.

Take the fun out of it, won't you? Wait, you already did. We're trying to figure out the new attraction! Let us speculate and argue! Speculation is fine, I don't know something about lots of argument makes me uncomfortable. Seen too many spats in my life I guess. Continue.

Can we all just disagree to disagree? The point is, everything could be anything. CP was deliberately vague in some aspects here. The real question is whether or not they will announce anything else between today and October 19th.

I don't think this is a package deal where Mantis AND Mean Streak leave. Then again I'm an idiot.

Realistically, what are the chances that one of these can be built in the US?

This would be fine with me.

I'm very, VERY intrigued by this. My dreams of RMC Mean Streak will be laid to rest for another year though. Anyway, this is so confusing. Cedar Point is being very vague. Just because "last stand" was said doesn't mean it's getting fit with new trains. It could still mean it's going to be toatlly removed. I'm rather indifferent on it honestly. Last summer when I went it wasn't good or bad. Can't wait to see this develop, although October 19th seems like a long time to wait for the rest of this story.

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Oh well. I might have overhyped it too much.

My roomate gets back from Kings Island today and says Banshee wasn't worth a 90 minute wait. He thinks Diamondback is way better.

I simply must go to Denmark now. This looks absolutely awesome.

^^Turns out SFGAm is 8 hours instead of the 6 it takes me to get to Cedar Point from where I am in Kentucky