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LOL..Nobody asked for anything of the ridiculous things you mentioned. So like i said before it is b/c you said so. No I don't believe you over reports. Also, reports on other conversions costs. You were at most a college kid who the hire to run a ride for the summer and they would never tell a minion what the cost was, you're self described inflated importance is laughable.

Mantis cost 12M, the conversion to Rougarou was 2-3M from some reports. It was significantly more than that. I'm not gonna discuss the details of it, but it was a larger investment than people make it out to be. It's enough money that I don't consider 2015 as an "off-year" at CP in terms of investment totals. Right...Your comment is b/c you said it cost more. All reports are wrong b/c you said so.

Once again, I say, never change. Honestly, I hope it opens in 2017 so that every other poster in the Cedar Point thread no longer has a reason to post about Rocky Mountain redoing Mean Streak. Now all we need them to do is Hurler and nearly everyone will give me peace and quiet... Wishful thinking. There are a bunch of other rough old woodies that could use RMC conversion. I think CF may go on a run like SF did with 5 or 6 conversions. Your peace is over before it starts. RMC Roar...lol.

The app with coupons says its 5 bucks off per person, so 10 off a 2 person flash pass, 15 off a 3 person, etc. It says valid anytime in 2017 though but doesn't hurt to try getting the discount. Jumping in to ask if all the 2017 season pass coupons are online or via the app? In the past I've gotten one of those little booklets but when we got our pass upgraded Wednesday for next year they didn't give us anything. It wasn't even on my radar until I was driving home. Perhaps they haven't come up with the 2017 discounts yet? Thoughts?? The coupon deals for 2017 are not known yet. The only 2017 coupons showing up on the app are discounts on flash pass and the 2017 Season Sports Bottle.

Mantis cost 12M, the conversion to Rougarou was 2-3M from some reports.

People keep repeating this marketing thing. The fact is the people that bought season passes right away are the people that are going to buy no matter what. RMC MS announced right away wasn't going to sway them. Second, by not announcing the enthusiast crowd have been talking about it non stop on forums, tons of youtube speculation on every little happening. They are getting hype by not announcing. When they do announce it won't be clustered with a bunch of other announcements or SF announcements soon after. They have built up anticipation by their teasing, trolling, etc...on what's going to happen with MS. There are also some theories I have heard on it being announced at IAAPA in November with RMC having all the renderings at their booth. RMC is doing something with MS they have never done before with other conversions and are going to unveil it at IAAPA. Don't know about this theory. My theory is they like trolling people and building the anticipation. They also think they can get a secondary pass sales increase with a late november/december announcement for the holidays. SF does a flash sale that gives away the farm that starts the day of their announcements, CF doesn't. CF thus doesn't mind making some later announcements b/c they aren't basing their sales largely on the announcements and a bargain product sales strategy.

Where is the 18M for New Texas Giant from? Everything I have ever read says it cost 10M to RMC back in 2011

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I hope this does turn into a Six Flags type thing. Look how many "meh" coasters Six Flags changed into amazing, crazy, extreme coasters. If Cedar Fair is doing the same thing, it means there are some awesome coasters coming in the future. Awesome coasters that will use an already existing footprint, which leaves room for more additions in the future. If anyone is complaining about Cedar Fair taking the Six Flags approach and RMCing old, tired, dated coasters into new cutting edge thrill rides are either insane, or have never been on an RMC . . . Or both. Some people just want to complain. RMC revitalization of woodies that have lost their luster has been an enthusiasts dream. The best coasters SF has added over the last 6 years are arguably most of their RMC's . CF has a bunch of great RMC candidates and SF still still has quite a few too. Cedar Fair 2017 Mean Streak(IMO) 2018 Hurler - KD FutureRMC's I'd like to see : Canadian Mine Buster - Wonderland, The Racer - KI, Hurler - Carrowinds Six Flags Future RMC' I'd like to see: Monstre - LaRonde, GA Cyclone or Great Amricam Machine - SFOG, Roar - SFA, American Eagle - SFGAm

I'm prepared to be wrong but I'm starting to get more excited than I probably should because these look just like Mean Streak's markers and once again... they've done no visible work on Hurler. None. The thought of adding even a small RMC to that already amazing lineup is tremendously exciting, so while it's far from a certainty I find myself getting more excited about this than I probably should. It's all in my own head though, so if I turn out to be wrong I won't be one of the people blaming the park for hyping it up too much. The hype train exists entirely in my own head for this thing. Hurler RMC is coming IMO. They did the announcement with the phrase "'There's Really More Coming", which was as subtle as their "Richard Michael Crosby" with Mean Streak. They might be trying to get a big jump on Mean Streak b/c of winter weather in Ohio and they can start Hurler later on b/c VA winter is nothing. Alternatively, since Hurler is SBNO they could finish up Mean Streak for 2017, than work on Hurler during the operating year. Finish Hurler RMC in fall 2017, open it 2018. IMO, Cedar Fair might go through a stretch of a bunch of RMC conversions like Six Flags did.

I might re-ride Roar. The first time I rode it I thought it kind of blew but I'm told they did a lot of re-tracking, plus it was bad but not unbearable. After riding it labor day weekend it is definitely re-ridable. During my first ever visit to the park in 09 I was kinda like "meh", but I really enjoyed it in September. Hopefully SF will RMC Roar soon, maybe 2018.

You need to go look at the annual reports of both chains and it will tell you how the parks make money differently. CF has lower attendance overall their parks, but the same revenue. CF capital investments per year have been much more than SF recently. SF debt has risen from 951M in 2011 to 1.5B in 2015 report. CF debt has been stable at 1.55B since 2011. SF has been touting their record revenue the last few years but their debt has been rising significantly. Btw, CF has had equal revenue to SF, stable debt, while making much larger capital investments. CF capital investments last 2 seasons were 170M and 150M and debt increased by 2M. SF capital investments were 108 and 114M, debt grew by 125M.

B&M and they have a ton of land, 350 acres of land available for development.

What coasters would you like to see RMC convert/ good candidates? Cedar Fair: Hurler 1994- Kings Dominion - SBNO in 2016 season Hurler 1994 - Carrowinds Canadian Mine Buster 1981 - CA Wonderland The Racer 1981 - Kings Island Six Flags: Monstre - LaRonde GA Cyclone 1990 or Great American Scream Machine 1973 - SFOG Roar 1999 - SFA American Eagle 1981 - SFGAm Predator 1990 - Darien Lake - needs help but likely too pricey for a them to afford

Agree with not competing with CP as a concern. If they were worried about overshadowing CP coaster of the same type they wouldn't have build Banshee, which is better invert than Raptor. I disagree on KI getting a hyper next. They got a hyper in 2009 with Diamondback. Still think they need a Giga, as all of the other top CF parks have. Also, before a another hyper, a wing coaster would more useful to the KI coaster line up. Now with 3 woodies, could they RMC The Racer in the vane of Twisted Colossus.