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  1. ^ The parks don't share the same consumer base... MAYBE Columbus/Indianapolis area?? Other than that, Cedar Point's more Detroit, Toledo, Cleveland, while Kings Island's more Cincinnati, Louisville, Lexington, Dayton, with slightly more visitors than Cedar Point. A Giga at Kings Island is not going to hurt Cedar Point. I'm sure it won't be a MF clone. MF will remain a huge draw to crowds at Cedar Point while a Giga at Kings Island will become a huge draw for crowds at Kings Island! I think people are under the impression that Cedar Fair is purposefully holding Kings Island back so it won't be as good as Cedar Point! I don't believe this because Money is Money! The potential money made versus cost is the issue here! Last time I checked, $$$ were worth the same amount in Southern Ohio and Northern Ohio!

     

    We need a capicity monster. We dont want to repeat the Italian Job nightmare! I rode it in 2005 and had to wait about 3 hours . Oh and so your saying that they shouldnt build a giga because of cedar point? Thats like saying that we shouldnt build a new woodie because of holiday world!

     

    That's exactly my point! Nobody states "Kings Island doesn't need a B&M invert! Cedar Point has Raptor!" However it is a crime for Giga's, Winseekers and HUSS Giant Frisbees! If Kings Island builds a B&M wing coaster I believe some enthusiast would react the same way! General public would state "Cedar Point has a coaster like this named THE GatekeeperS only their's is 500 feet tall, 267 mph, and has more Loop de Loops!"

     

    I'm sure whatever's added won't be an actual clone of something at Cedar Point and will probably be unique to Kings Island! Keep in mind that SOB was a terrain woodie so their's a lot of potential for something epic in the area! It's just a manner of management capitalizing on the area! A new coaster should be a capacity monster however as Kings Island is one of the busiest parks in the nation, slightly more than Cedar Point! I think everyone wondered at some point how a HUGE park like Kings Island got so huge without any Intamins or B&M's till Diamondback! I know the GP doesn't actually know the difference, But the drawing potential from a ride by either manufacturer I believe is huge!

     

    Having lived in both the Huntington WV area, and Southern Ohio area all my life (up until a year ago), I think your severely underestimating how far out Cedar Points popularly stretches and how many people trek up to Cedar Point as opposed to going to Kings Island. My friends and I called it the "Myrtle Beach " effect, like how so many people in the area travel to Myrtle Beach for the beach get away even though there are other nice beach spots, like Virginia Beach, that are far closer.

  2. Regardless of anything, chances are we won't hear anything concrete about their plans for the SoB site for a while. Most likely not until this time next year at the earliest (though I would be pleasantly surprised if there annoucment this year was exactly that.) For all we know, KI could still be weighing there options on what exactly they want to do with the area. At this point, I'm a little more curious with what we will see replace Crypt after the Haunt, as that will probably happen first. There are numerous different flat rides that could use the location, or possibly they will use the area to build an eatery, carnival games, or possible just storage.

  3. Well that's the first I've ever heard of them having a clause like that. How would they get any other parks to agree to it? Or is it with the manufacture, having them agree not to build something similar in other parks?

     

    We need a capicity monster. We dont want to repeat the Italian Job nightmare! I rode it in 2005 and had to wait about 3 hours . Oh and so your saying that they shouldnt build a giga because of cedar point? Thats like saying that we shouldnt build a new woodie because of holiday world!

     

    The big difference there is that KI and CP are both owned by the same company, Holiday Park is not. Of course KI could build a new woodie to compete with Holidy Worlds woodies. But Cedar Fair isn't going to add a Giga in KI, in my own opinion, when they have one in CP that remains a MASSIVE draw for crowds to the park. They will never try to make their 2 parks, that are so close to each other and share much of the same consumer base, compete on terms of coasters, but rather make the parks compliment each other.

     

    Oh and as the crow flies, KI and CP are only 163 miles apart... Physical land distance, not driving distance, is what almost everyone uses when drawing contracts like that. Regardless, driving distance is still under 200 miles, not over. It's about a 195 mile drive from park to park.

     

    Edit: sorry, they are only 193 miles apart

  4. On that note, I wonder when we will find out KI's plans for the park next year. I know last year they made their announcement in September, later then most parks. I'm also looking forward to some new news about Halloween Haunt. I'm going to be back in Ohio in October and always enjoyed their haunt. If it looks promising I might try and take a day and venture there. It's been a year sense I last got to ride Beast... Oh how I miss thee.

  5. So no...I'm not a fanboy, but a rollercoaster enthusiast who would love to see his favorite park restored and become a major player in the coaster wars again. Ohio can handle having two players.

     

    Cedar Fair however can't. They are never going to put in the money to bring KI up to Cedar Point in terms of thrills with coasters, not with Cedar Point relatively close to KI. They also have over 10 parks to manage and consider when adding rides, more if you want to count the waterparks they manage as well.

  6. Your right, the GP love big coasters... But a lot of parks biggest money makers are family's. You need to give theme a reason to return as much as those that love coasters.

     

    May I nominate this as the dumbest quote of the day? We're talking about Kings Island here, apparent number 1 kids park in the world... I think they are fine with the kids rides they have.

     

    A big coaster with a 42" height requirement? Now that's what they need.

     

    ^ I don't see how it dumb. Your right, Kings Island has a fantastic kids area that has a mix of kids and family rides. But I'm talking more in terms of family rides... Leave Camp Snoopy, and aside from a hand full of ride in Coney Mall, the rest of the park has little in the way of family rides. And there last real additions in terms of any family rides was back in 2006.

  7. ^ That's another reason I don't see them putting a Giga in anytime soon. Cedar Point is the area's go to park for big roller coaster thrills. Even Diamondback, as much as I love it, is on the tamer side compared to some of CP's big draw coasters. I don't think Cedar Fair will ever put the two parks in direct competition against each other in terms of coasters. To me it seems the direction they seem to be taking KI, with Dinosaur Alive and the waterpark expansion, in a slightly more family oriented direction. It would be counter productive for them financially to try and make KI the next CP.

  8. ^ That is a very good point. One that could also suggest the idea of an expansion could be just as profitable, if not more, then just adding another big coaster. Like I said, add couple of family rides to draw that crowd, not just to the park, but to that area of the park that is mostly thrill rides. Then add newer coaster with smaller footprint that could drive in coaster lovers. While it might not be bigger, if they went with something like a zacpin, a skyloop, or even a eurofighter, the fact that it is something completely unique and different from what you see from any of the surrounding parks like CP, could help bump attendence similar to a newer big coaster. Theoretically, the best of both worlds. Regardless, like you said, everything we say is just wishfull thinking on our part. I for one see us hearing an announcement about the future of The Crypt sight after Haunt long before we hear anything about their future plans for the SoB site.

  9. Maybe it's just me, but I really don't think KI should invest in another 'Big' coaster to replace SoB. As coaster enthusiasts, many of us are clambering for the next big thing, but if only coaster enthusiasts frequented the parks, they probably wouldn't still be in business.

     

    Believe it or not, many GP like "big" coasters just as much, if not more than enthusiasts. (They're just not uber-nerdy about it. )

     

    Your right, the GP love big coasters... But a lot of parks biggest money makers are family's. You need to give theme a reason to return as much as those that love coasters.

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