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There is now a Verbolten Facebook page.

Obviously brakes.

They are going to add some trees back don't worry. They will make that area look nice and neat, hopefully not like Griffon

The track is grey and the supports are green, and actually the drop on Verbolten and BBW are more identical than you may believe. I know someone somewhere posted the drop of both coasters side by side and they look exactly the same. I can't wait for the greenery to grow back though.

They have at least half of the S part finished today.

I think it was made just perfect, or at least very well done for the ride they are building.

I doubt it, but maybe. If it becomes a big enough problem to need new restraints.

Pics will have to wait until after Christmas due to the fact my picture taking device is dead currently. I hope to get some last few pictures on New Year's Eve.

So the drop is almost completely done, I would say probably a good 50% at the very least. No themed bridge yet, hopefully that is something they can get done before New Years, at the pace they are going. I am so excited, I can't wait to see the new coaster.

Okay, well that would still be an awesome hint if they did have anything in the future planned. That would make me think they hired new people on the marketing team

Either way I swear it was a truck that is very popular at the park, especially used by the people who work at the warehouse by the offices. Just thought that seemed a little odd that they may be back over there for no particular reason. Also, this whole Zierer thing could be hinting to another coaster, seeing how they make only three types and we already have two. Or even the mismatched tracks in the Christmas Town Verbolten ads. Perhaps another coaster is in the works, however it would be a while before we see another, I am sure of it.

I believe from leaked blueprints, there will be a tree similar to the one in the video? I think they are hinting at not only the drop, but also a few other elements that will play a vital role in this ride. It seems to be one of the most intense family coasters. This sure is a big step from Sesame Street. It is a shame it will only go 50 mph. It seems like it should go faster. Also, a bridge was also in some leaked blueprints. I think that the bridge/drop will be completed by New Years at the rate they are going with good weather *knocks on wood*. Then we should expect some major marketing via Facebook and Twitter, I hope. It appears they have most or at least half the track put together. From what I have heard, there is already 1 train on site. I know in the employee parking lot there are two storage units that have built-in locks and everything, perhaps they have two trains already and are keeping them super secret for now? Can anyone indicate on a map exactly what land/buildings the park actually owns. I am curious to know for sure if that warehouse directly next to the overflow lots with the train tracks is owned by the park? Driving down the road one day, I though I saw a pick-up truck coming out of there, like the ones the park uses to tow stuff around the park when closed and such. UPDATE ---- 3:07 AM ---- Reading up on some of Zierer's coasters. It appears they have a patented restraint system that does not require over the should restraints even if you are going upside down? Since I don't know much about coasters, I think that is very different. Would this mean that Verbolten could travel upside down without over the should restraints? I know it won't happen, but could it happen, if desired? In the pictures it looks like they have restraints around your ankles and completely covering your lap and keeping you snug as a bug. Never seen or heard of anything like it before. By the way, that is for their Tower Launch Coaster. Verbolten happens to be an Elevated Seating Coaster and Groover's Alpine Express is a Force Coaster. Since we already have two of the three types, do you think we could expect another coaster from them anytime within the next 5 or so years being a Tower Launch? Sure would be different.

Yeah those footers look ridiculously huge, however I can understand these are built to take on more stress. Also, being obvious, I thought they would try to advertise the bridge a bit, since after all they are working on getting that part done right now. Maybe they are releasing videos based on what they are working on at the moment??? Oh and the bridge will be finished in no time they way they are going. I swear they put up another huge chunk of it up over night.

Yeah, I am a late worker and an early bird when it comes to work. That is how I got any of those pictures. The only time I have time to get them was before the park opens before work, so yeah. Plus, it isn't like they locked every gate door going into Festa. However, I will say, for Howl-o-Scream, if they had Festa they way it is now as a scare zone or maze during the evening it would be a hit. Like seriously, the whole place gets super dark at night to where you can see where your at and everything around you but it is like a horror film. During the day it just has a sad feeling. Although, as for Verbolten, I think the small waterfall may make a partial return, possibly? On the Pepsi vs. Coke issue. I honestly think there is minimal taste difference between the two drinks. However like I said, Coke tastes good any time, Pepsi only tastes good cold. Mountain Dew is okay, but not the best. I prefer Sierra Mist when it comes to an upset stomach or even 7 Up. They both taste really good and help my tummy relax very nicely.

Here they are, there really is not much to take pictures of but I thought these might be somewhat interesting. So here it goes, the first three of are Verbolten. I am starting to doubt the return of the little water fall, and it seems like they are not using all the footers. They appear to be making new ones next to the old ones. The bridge area/drop seems like it will get finished before New Years.

I took some pictures of Verbolten construction, and I happened to stroll through Festa Italia and the place looks sad, so I took some pictures of that. I will post them as soon as I get the chance.

I personally like the fact Coke tastes good warm or cold, where as Pepsi only tastes good cold. That could just be because of the fact I used to drink tons of warm Cokes in Germany. By the way, you hardly ever see Pepsi there? I don't understand why.

Thank you cfc, I was just passing on what I was told. Anyway, here is a question for you. If you hated the drinks they served at the park, would you still go? Buy refillable cups? or even cancel your passes?

Guys, my point wasn't simply just because the awards. You are right people could less about individual rides and shows if they have awards. However, I meant the park in full. If you are in Germany, an amazing and beautiful country, why would you go to BGW? Surely not just because they have 4 roller coasters. You also want to see the world's most beautiful park which is what I was referring to specifically. After all, if someone gave KD the award for best amusement park in the world, a lot more people would flock to KD. Also, rides are a main factor as well as everything else. However, roller coasters are not the only thing. In fact, when you have a new ride and you advertise it like they did, you are going to get tons of guests there solely for that ride. If there was nothing new at all, ride wise, do you think you would have so many people there just to ride roller coasters, no not really. Yes, there are some but not a majority. The general public goes to a place because of advertisement. That is the key right there. If they advertised something in the right way, they could make tons of people come. Verbolten on the other hand, has had very little advertising, which is a bit annoying to me, however you see people do come to check that out, but your not getting tons of people by having a green wall up and some construction. those who visit will be curious but that doesn't bring them to the park. Even the ride itself, it is something new, something different, and it just opened. that is why tons of people will want to ride it. After many, many years, the coaster would end up being like any other one at the park with decent lines.

You guys make great points, but you need to look at the overall big picture. Theme parks operate in years not one year at a time. They figured out what they are going to do. Verbolten is the last project under AB. Everything else will come from Blackstone. They are the ones trying to "fatten" the parks before they sell it. Plus, Blackstone has worked with other theme park chains before and made them big hot spots. Plus, Disney is a family destination, well so is Busch Gardens. It is a family destination and they can be like that year round, roller coasters are not the only thing that brings visitors to a park. Why, Busch Gardens is my favorite theme park in the world, and I do not ride any rides ever, except for Roman Rapids and a few small rides. Nothing big at all. You know what really attracts guests? Their awards. Everyone wants to see the world's most beautiful theme park, and the fact that the trees are dead doesn't mean they don't have any beauty anymore because last time I checked there are flowers that live in the cold. Initially, you can take them as rumors if you want, but I see the big picture and put it all together and they all add up. By the way, I am sorry for the misspelling of loose and lose. I am a fast typer and make few errors most the time, and that pops up often just because it is one o that makes them different and their meanings of course.

See that is the thing, it is not that big NOW. I am talking about within the next four years. They have plans to expand and with that, it will create a park that will be able to open year round. Yes, I am not saying everyone will flock to Busch Gardens Williamsburg during Winter, but it will still draw in crowds. No matter what time of the year is, there is always someone who want to go to the park now. I am just simply saying by 2016. Many things can happen in 4 years, especially when the park is in the hands of an investment company, which like I said will build the park up no matter what.

So you say there is 5 coasters right? Well, they could justify it if they open 2 coasters and 2 major dark rides, plus Mach Tower. Verbolten definitely will be open next year, and it is more than likely to have another coaster open, and don't forget the infamous Mach Tower. On top of that if they can market and build dark rides as great as or better than DarKastle, they can do it. Plus, you don't see Disney filled with tons of major thrill rides and they are open all year round? Despite what it may seem like now, it is coming. The plans have been made all the way up 2016. Just like with Verbolten, Mach Tower and all of Oktoberfest. They had those planned out three years from now. I have no doubt that they already have this planned out for the next four years. As far as I know, we won't see another coaster, but you can expect so much more expanding. My point is, expansion is in the plans, meaning expect two or so more dark rides within the next fours years. Also, a resort is in the works and is one of their top priorities. Why else would they build a train station out at the far end of the Festhaus Park? they have added 2 major rides in 2 years. Imagine, what they can do in 4 years? To QueerRudie specifically, My list of but's: 1) They may be in a slow tourism area BUT Williamsburg is still a destination spot for many families yes the tourism is slow during the Winter but manageable. 2) Curse of DarKastle is really the only one now unless you count Europe in the Air BUT a few more major indoor rides have been planned into the next four years. 3) As many people do come to ride the rides that is true BUT Disney has less major coasters and still draws crowds in because the people they draw in could care less about intense thrill enduing roller coasters, and they have a bigger park, which an expansion is looking very favorable in the next four years. 4) The winters can be worse BUT they are not like that all the time. In fact, in the past fours years, I have lived in the Virginia area and have yet to encounter an ice storm, but I have encountered one before in the state. I believe that you seem to think that the weather is constantly harsh and that Virginia gets constant brutal ice storms every other week which would be false. 5) That may be extremely true BUT check out the size of the park and compare it to now as well as what the park features and also add the fact the park has expansion in mind as well over the next four years. Times have changed and much has been added to the park, to make it more attractive? 6) As that maybe in true in some parts BUT all they need is a highway. Many people prefer to travel by car. In fact, most people I have heard of visiting the park do not fly in, they travel by car. The few people that actually fly in, are the people from other countries. I am not hoping for it to come, I know it will come within the next four years. Also, referring to you one comment, you may have studied all that back then but times have changed. I am not saying your wrong, I am just saying you are stuck in a different period. For example, there wasn't much to do at the park in those years, plus the park was under different management then. Now the park is owned by an investment company. A company that will try to build the park up as much as they can and then sell it. To KDcoasterMAN specifically, November is an easy month to be open. After all, it is just like fall. Opening just weekends would not hurt them that badly. Opening a weekend or so after New Years is likely, since they could instill a New Year's Celebration. After all, they were looking for a way to stay open in the spring one time and it was done. They were looking for fall opportunities and it was done. They were looking to stay open in the winter and they started. Opening around the start of March is just as likely, since it could only be weekends. Maybe close one or two months, but it is still workable and over time it can be accomplished. After all, to succeed in business, you should be able to think outside the box and say yes or at the very least maybe to every situation or after awhile, people get bored and leave.

Coasterfreak101, with temperature restraints, they loose what 7-8 rides a day. How often do you see all 8 of those rides running perfectly all at once all day, every day they are open regularly? Maybe every so often, but not always. To my guess on any given day, I would guess that they would have 4-5 rides running perfectly all at once all day. Loosing those rides will not kill attendance too terribly, plus when you have 4 major indoor rides, people will come for those more, after all no one wants to ride a roller coaster at 30 degrees. Honestly, during Christmas Town, when the temperature is really close to closing down the coaster, how long are their lines usually? Not long, but if they added more dark rides as well as flat rides, they could justify it.

Bryce232, it doesn't usually snow much. Honestly, there really maybe one or two snow storms at most a year. It is not like the area gets a snow storm every other week. My point is, it is doable and Blackstone is the kind of company to explore ALL ideas that could make them money. If they could open the park all year long, that would make them a lot more money. They are the kind of people to think outside of the box. Also, to further add to my information, opening all year long is not a rumor. It is a fact. It will be coming in a few years. I think they hope to be open full year by 2016. In fact, by 2016 they hope to accomplish a lot.

There is no doubt that they are going to "up" their game to Disney level. After all Blackstone is an investment company. This means they are going to try and up the parks game as high as it will go and then sell it for profit. It is only a matter of time before it becomes a resort location. If you really think about it, the idea of the park being a major vacation spot is not that crazy. In fact, with the survey they sent out about paying for Christmas Town and Howl-o-Scream, means they are trying to be a bit like Tampa. This also makes me think, if they are going to charge their events like Tampa, they will probably operate like Tampa, which means open all year round. Think about it, not too crazy. Al the rumors floating around about a train station, possible expansion, a resort, a change in event ticketing. They all tie into each other, and it will happen before you know it. Consider that a heads up as to what has been put in motion.