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We're going on Friday and planning on taking advantage of AP First Stab. Is it important to get in the line ASAP, or can we take our time? It's just a place to line up, right? I'm guessing no services, just hang out and wait. Thanks.

^I'm glad to hear it. I hope you're right. Again, the park was pleasant, and the refreshments to the kids' area and Route 76 were obvious. Hopefully a quality coaster is in your near future.

I visited the park yesterday on a coaster road trip. It was my first visit. While the recent infrastructure investments are obvious, so is this: the park desperately needs a quality modern steel full circuit coaster. There was nothing that would ever get me back. Nickelodeon Universe was the more appealing park. At least it has unique / hard to find flats. Valleyfair is generic.

How is that even possible? lol In my opinion it is haha. Just the length of airtime on Goliath was better than El Toro. I haven't been on Goliath and I still call shenanigans. El Toro has long, sustained airtime over all of its big hills, and an ejecting "pop" on the hill over Rolling Thunder('s area). I've been on both now. No way, no comparison. Goliath has one good ejector hill and the 1st drop. Anything going else is a pop. El Toro (Skyrush too) is an angry beasts that wants to throw you from the train. Goliath is the kinder, gentler RMC. There's no shame in that.

We managed one afternoon ride through the single rider line. We had to wait through the extended queue until we reached the Flashpass queue. It took 40 minutes rather than 90-120. Someone said Goliath has more air than El Toro. No, just no. Air isn't Goliath's best trait. Phoenix has more. It is spectacular however. Taste is personal; I'd rather ride Goliath than Voyage, Ravine Flier, or Boulder Dash.

Think "running of the bulls" when they drop the chain. It's fine to get there early so you can be at the chain when it drops but if you don't keep up with the stampede you'll be a long ways back in line in a hurry. Exactly what we experienced this morning. It's a free for all. It helped to be 1st at security. Great news for taller riders. The shin bars are much more accommodating.

We arrived around 5:45 pm for a 9:30 close and walked straight to Wildebeest, passing a crowd of people heading home. In an hour and a half we managed 7 rides between Wildebeest and Mammoth. Such great water attractions! Mammoth was more fun than we expected, and Wildebeest was as thrilling as we remembered. Our last ride of the night two of us had a raft to ourselves. The magnets threw us over every hill crest. Voyage in the dark - wow! The outbound section through the twists in the woods ran well. It wasn't until the return that the rattle picked up. Speaking of, The Legend was down when we arrived. It opened around 7:30 and gathered a crowd. We waited 20 minutes at 8:40. Ugh. It isn't running well. We ended with a couple pitch black laps on Raven. Great visit!

For those who have ridden Goliath and Outlaw Run, are the restraints the same? I'd heard the shin guard might be more comfortable on Goliath. I ask because my son is 6-6. He fit on OR but his legs were painfully pinned. Thanks.

This plan works IF early entry starts on time AND FT and X2 open with the park - no sure thing. Since FP is usually available day-of, you can defer the decision.

We're hoping to pop into the park around 5:30 on Saturday, sticking around until the park closes at 9:30. Any suggestions? We'll be happy if we can get a lap or two on the woodies. Bonus if we can manage the water coasters too. They are open until 7:30.

I don't see a maximum rider height listed on the KK page, but I am concerned. Outlaw Run was almost unbearable for my 6-5 son. He's all legs. The shin restraint was like a bear trap. The coaster is a masterpiece but he couldn't enjoy it. I realize that he's taller than 99 percent of the population, and no manufacturer can accommodate all body types. However, since then we are wary of lap bars with shin guards.

It is a good, intense ride (I liken it to the BTR of sit-down coasters in its intensity), but since I tend to be a bit more sensitive to head rattling that wouldn't bother other people, I'm usually a one-and-done on it. If my head weren't so close to the OTSR's where it bounced around between them through basically the whole ride, I think I'd enjoy it a good bit more. And yes, I know it's not like an Arrow where it feels like the OTSR's are trying to punch you in the head because the transitions are so poorly designed, but the rattling still bothers me (and gives me a headache), and at the end of the day I'd rather ride SheiKra or Cheetah Hunt or Montu because I don't have that same problem on those other coasters. ^This. Every time I've visited I've felt the B&M rot. Rattle, rattle.

Verboten>Chunt Alpengeist=Montu Griffon=Sheikra Apollo>Kumba (probably a minority opinion) Anything>Gwazi Darkastle>nothing LNM>Sandstorm er Scorpion I prefer BGW, but the animal attractions are far superior at BGW - it is the strength of the park. Rides are similar enough to be a wash. And I truly believe the highly themed Verbolten is more fun than Cheetah Hunt. There's something about how that ride is operated that detracts - for me. BGW as a whole is more intensively themed.

The lack of a drop floor in the station makes me nervous my son will be too tall to ride. Is there a maximum rider height? He's 6-6 (78 inches), and already prevented from riding most or all Intamin inverts as well as their hypers. Two years ago he barely made it onto Skyrush.

I'm not complaining. I just renewed a UO AP today, no blackout dates, for $160. Interesting that it wasn't more. I'll pass through Orlando 2-3 times over the next year. I'll easily get my money's worth.