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If I ever make it down there two days in a row, I might check it out simply for the fact I'm a geek who would love to work in the movie industry. Not worth wasting my time during a one day trip though. Again I don't have a problem with our coasters, just that we spend fifty times as much on useless coasters and kiddie rides a we do coasters. Vu would have cost a few mil to fix right, but they spent 5.5m on bb, and lost a coaster. They put in tdk for 7.5m and it might last a decade. Cajun was a waste of money. Revolution - spin and puke. Little dipper was a good move, and I guess selling vu offset that cost. Hrm... Tdk superman and Cajun are the only rides that I've been on that were added since my first trip in 2002. Never got to ride vu because it was always broken down. I think of tdk and Cajun in the flat ride category just as much as coasters since so many places have wild mouse coasters now.

The Kentucky state fair board is both biting the hand that feeds and shooting themselves in the feet. Six flags planned a water park, then entered bankruptcy protection. Sf said this is our final contract offer or we opt out, Kentucky fair says "omg what?" completely unexpected..... Then they sue to try to repo all the rides sfi bought from the previous owners.... Now they sue and put a pr spin on it in order to make sf look bad. Ok, fine. Two problems... Even if Kentucky fair owns all permanent rides, all theme stuff, props, cars, and flat rides would be sf property. Six flags also claims to have paid property tax each year on all the rides they bought (many, many millions in total) not only is this legal precedence that establishes ownership, but is also leverage that if Kentucky fair owns the rides legally, then they will owe tax refunds to six flags, and may have committed fraud by making six flags pay taxes on tens of millions of dollars of equipment each year. Other problems: six flags owned most of the land chang was on, tt was on, t2 was on, and other rides were on. Most land under chang and parts under tt and t2 and other rides. Six flags has no obligation to sell their land, an the same laws protect them so even if the state fair own parts of those rides, they would neither be able to operate nor remove the rides.... So with no rides, a broken up park with little land, and a landlord that has been proven to be greedy and will claim ownership of anything you invest in the park, nobody will run this park. Heck even if six flags loses all rides on fair land, they could hold their land and not sell it just to prevent the fair from running the park and rides partly on sf land. This situation sucks, and I think the best solution for everyone would be for the fair board to accept six flags contract offer.

Yay an expensive upcharge attraction for youngsters... How many parents really want to make their visit cost $120 per person? Grand waste of install money if you ask me. Granted if it was fairly reasonable as far as cost goes, probably a good move, but if you're talking a million plus.... What are they thinking? And yes, I realize 3d projectors cost 75-200k. Bb is not horrible, but I hate sitting down on wet coaster seats, that's why I think bb belongs in the water park. The flumes and rapids are perfect. Because they don't soak people to the point that they soak coaster seats (usually people are dry by the end of the cue line for a coaster). I agree that bb has great theming and looks fun for frequent visitors. I just wish they would quit taking out high end rides for lower end rides. Shockwave didn't have to go to make room for suf, and vu for bb. The park seems to have great kids sections, and the water park for families and teens, plus flat rides for all levels of thrill seekers. I don't get why they don't understand you need thrill rides to target adults too. Get people hooked and keep em happy from toddler to grave, it's a good way to run a business. If you keep losing coasters, and don't have flat rides other than spin and puke rides, you won't draw young adults, much the less adults in general.

Excuse the typos in my previous post, posted from my phone and I can't correct them. Bb was a ghost town, people drove to ride Deja vu, but won't for bb. Hard to type on a touch screen!

Sorry to rain on your parade, but many people think tearing down shockwave was a mistake, I certainly do. Superman ultimate flight is great, but I you're tearing down a former worlds fastest, tallest, most inversion mega looper, you shouldn't replace it with a clone! Plus they should have added terrain, obstacles, and other features around suf to make it stand out, but they did nothing! It just flys you around in a way that was designed for other terrain, taking away lots of flying appeal (heck it hardly pulls any Gs and gives zero airtime). If shockwave had a problem and was unsafe, fine then they did the right thing, but suf needs more atmosphere! Tdk.... Ok so you want a family dark ride.... Cool you got a dull coaster that is a starter coaster for hundreds of small theme parks. The theme rocks, but the coaster has no appeal if you've been on it before, even less if there is a line. It's not even a good first coaster, and I think that was the idea. 7.5 million? Maybe worth that if it was a one of a kind, assuming they had to pay 2-3 mil for character rights. Since it's a clone, and they didn't pay that much for theme rights, it's worth about 4 mil... and it has zero resale value. They could have at least used a few other turn types, and differen layout from all wild mouse rides! BB I have not seen in person, but I don't touch the water park (where this belongs) Wisconsin dells is closer, and better, and cheaper! Why drive 4 hours to get wet...? If it was a huge hit I could see it being a good investment, but I hear it was. Ghost town... People do not drove hours to go to bb, they did for Deja vu.... Why didn't they take that 5 mil and fix Deja vu, or replace it with something else. I'm sick of losing coasters for weaker ones, or other rides. It's cheaper and smarter to keep old mega coasters than it is to tear them down an replace them with high dollar less interesting rides... What did they get for shockwave and vu combined? One mil... That's it! What did they spend on tdk suf and bb? Want to tell me how that makes business sense? For that cash they could have added one new signature coaster, and one REAL family coaster, and we'd still have shockwave and vu! I honestly think you guys forget this and mt Olympus are the only real theme parks within the area... I know many people that talk about going every year, but don't because the only coasters that have changed since 03 are deja vu and tdk... Just because someone is local and spends more days at the water park doesn't make them a better customer than someone who drives hours a few times a year to go there, lots of people only go every few years but still spend more than many frequent customers!

Wow that's insane! Glad everyone is safe. For the record, fire sprinklers are heat activated. Some are spring loaded and when a pin gets soft from the heat, they pop open. Others have a plug that softens and is forced out by the pressure of the water in the pipes. They wouldn't activate unless it was a Medium to large fire below them, and they pretty much just slow large fires down. As for the alarm systems, in most areas smoke detectors are NOT linked to fire alarm systems. There are fire codes requiring both, but smoke alarms go off too easily. Ever been in an apartment where someone burned something on the stove or something? I've heard many smoke detectors go off, never seen one set off the fire alarms. remember that when those alarms go off, firefighters will respond, and if it's a false alarm, the buildings owners get a bill (usually several hundred dollars) Alarms are usually ONLY set off by break boxes, and if your building is Updated within the last ten years, you may have infrared fire detectors in the attic (this didn't obviously). I can't believe nobody pulled a break box! Those people could have saved you a huge scare! Remember this guys, if you KNOW you have a fire that your building needs to be evacuated for, that's what break boxes are for.

Look... Rides on six flags property belong to six flags.... That's the bottom line, unless they had a deal with the fair board to sell the land and rides upon termination of the lease. I'm not sure they would want to run this entire park, or afford it. Do you really think the previous owner would buy a 20 million dollar ride then sell the park? Six flags wouldn't pay for chang if they didn't get to keep it, or at least get cash for it when they leave? Every business I've ever worked for got reimbursed for every improvement they made to the property. This would likely get decided in court now that the lease is broken.

Why make sf the bad guy? They paid for a lot of the park and bought a lot of the rides. If the owners of the property were unwilling to cut their profit to allow sfkk to make money... They had to expect this. Don't bite the hand that feeds.... Btw: where is gl on that list? Sf land or state land? Stuff on state land might be out of luck, the rest can be moved.

Thank you reality! See that would make sense then. They bought that part of the park and those rides from previous owners.... So the only disputes would be lease related not property related. And since the state played it down as sad that chang left, it seems sf owns most of kk then. Since the lease was broken sf should be in the clear and right. It seems both sides were trying to make the other seem like the bad guy to shine their own shoes...

And this is where we hit the wall where nothing makes sense... Did sf just take over the lease? I doubt it would have cost them much then.... If they purchased the existing rides equipment etc. then it gets muddy. If the lease says that everything currently installed there stays on the land.... They're in trouble. If it says rides installed by six flags become part of the property, then older rides might be grandfathered in and still be part of sf property, since they bought the park.... If chang wasn't complete, sf probably had to pay it as part of the park purchase price. I don't get this clause at all, it's like renting a house where your posessions and cars become the property of the land owner. If it is like that, then six flags got burned horribly. If six flags had to pay the previous park owners for the rides, and still has to leave them with the land owners... That just sucks.

For all we know that lease may have been signed 12 years ago.... When sf started running it they had a long term lease, and were hoping to make more than they invested in the park and rides before the lease was up. If sf wa still running kk they would have likely run it as cheaply as possible after the 50th.... They were likely going to remove chang to reduce cost and try to turn the park profitable -- water parks draw lots.... When six flags filed for bankruptcy their hands became tied.... It was either get kk profitable now or cut it. They had no say... Sf removed chang with permission because the land owners had them locked in a lease and sf would not remove a ride and replace it with nothing for very long in their own parks.... Hence the water park plan got the nod from the owners, no need to sign stuff... They would get to keep the waterpark and sf was under lease.... Different story after bankruptcy filing.... Will be interesting to see if anything sits on both properties, or if the owners will sue sf to have them complete the water park....

First... From what I understand SF did own some of the land. They also invested heavily, and if they can only remove rides from their part of the park, maybe things work out about even? It seems the property owners didn't believe sf would cut their losses and run.... Yes they wanted to pay no lease for 9 years, but how does that weigh against what they were going to give them in a profit share? We won't know because it's a private matter. Also sf may have proposed a plan to improve and update the park in exchange for that lease money. Would you build a house on leased land? I think sf just wante to cover their improvement plans... The property owners could have had a great park but we will never know now.... Please don't attack either side, it's a complex situation.