It's "art", so everyone sees it differently. One point though you guys aren't thinking of(or mentioning at least)....is that this is the ONLY film in the "series" so far where the "good guys" LOSE and in a BIG way. I think that's what got everyone so caught up in it. I never read the comics...ever....so for me, the films are firsts. That way, I can enjoy it on it's own merits without the influence of "well this is how it's supposed to go according to the comics" type of arguments. Ignorance is bliss????