MikeyDooks

peoplemovermatt... You clearly didn't read anything I posted. Seaworld, no matter what kind of seafood they sell, still supports COMMERCIAL FISHING, which in turn reeks havoc on the ocean and *the animals that live in it. Like sea turtles, sea horses, manta rays, dolphins and sharks..all of which, GASP, can be found at Seaworld for your viewing pleasure. Millions die every year due to reckless fishing practices. Why isn't Seaworld conserving these animals? Oh thats right, because those companies supply them with food. Regardless, just because Seaworld doesn't display a tuna, doesn't mean its ok for them to support killing them. And ok. This is the best retort everyone seems to come up with? Seriously? Ill put it this way. Humans are a part of this planet, but we are MORALLY CONSCIOUS beings, something that is relatively unique to us. For example, we understand animals feel pain. And can suffer. They have interests. Therefore, continuing to kill them and exploit them is morally incomprehensible. Its wrong. Humans have been exploiting this planets resources since the dawn of time, yes, but that makes it ok? Humans killed 6 million jews and enslaved an entire race of people, too. Doesn't mean we should keep doing it what our past is made up of. Plants do not have a nervous system. Plants are not conscious. Fruits, for example, are meant to be eaten, thats part of why they exist. That argument is laughable and honestly, all around retarded. Besides, if you had to choose based on morality...i think the blank, motionless fruit or vegetable is a better choice than the screaming, struggling, bleeding animal. Part of humans evolving is abandoning the idea that animals are here for humans to exploit. Its an out of date, ignorant thought process that clearly you still own.

Not so much all meat, but sea food specifically(not that ones better/worse than the other) Do some research on the effects of commercial fishing alone, you'd see where Im coming from(probably not though). They could open peoples eyes further, but again, Seaworld is a business enterprise first and foremost. Its like walking into a museum showcasing the effects of slavery throughout world history and selling whips and chains in the gift shop. Its offensive and does not help the cause displayed by any means. Its backwards.

I understand the context of what Robb was saying. It just tickled me considering the topic. No type of advanced society is bent on exploiting animals. Theres really no discussion there. And since we aren't as advanced as we can/should be, I found it humorous all in the while he's defending a theme park that uses dancing animals to get visitors to visit. I won't continue for too long, as this isn't a animal rights/welfare forum after all...but not seeing Blackfish doesn't deny my post of any merit. I understand where everyone is coming from and I can gather the film is a load of propaganda made to make a point when there isn't one. But it RAISES age old questions of keeping massive animals like Orcas in tanks for their lives. Thats what Im focusing on. And how Seaworld does a lot of harm with its good deeds. To the "Seaworld should sell vegan food" joke. I think its incredibly ironic and ridiculous zoological societies sell animal products. Especially a place called Seaworld selling seafood. I understand no human is going to a visit a park if they can't get their deep fried meat(because, you know, important things) so they must cater to a general demographic, but its still ridiculous. They can show the world with their beautiful animals that we don't have to ransack the ocean to quench our pallet for dead animals. If you claim to be an "environmentalist" you'd know that the current state of animal agriculture is ruining the planet beyond repair. There is no denying that in any way. To the cutting off RAINFORESTS(environment) to raise beef cows and grow genetically modified soy(to feed said cows), to the trillions(!) of gallons of fresh water used and contaminated by factory farms a year, to MASSIVE amounts of waste produced by the 60+ BILLION animals being raised for food every year. Its simply UNSUSTAINABLE. Any "environmentalist" would see that. Humans are not designed to eat meat. That, my friend, has been fed to you since birth and its pretty ignorant of you to still believe such nonsense. Its just as ridiculous as you believing humans need cows milk to survive when 1). we are the only animals to drink milk of ANOTHER animal(cows produce milk for their babies just like any other animal) and 2). we are the only animals in the world who drink milk after infancy. Humans can live perfectly fine without animal products(considering I'm not dead or dying may be proof) Humans eat meat/milk/eggs because it tastes good. THATS IT. You ignore the morality and welfare of animals to stuff your face daily. Theres nothing in meat you can't get from plants. So it falls down to the fact you're choosing to support companies that strip every animal of its basic right and happiness. And before someone throws this at me, no, we are not lions or tigers, therefore we can't be compared to them eating meat. A lion is strictly designed to be a carnivore and even if it could survive off plants, a lion is not morally conscious and therefore doesn't understand a animal suffers and to stop causing an animal pain. Humans, on the other hand, do. which makes consuming meat even more morally incomprehensible. You are fully aware an animal has been raised and killed in the most horrific of ways, and you still sit down and eat it without batting an eyelash. You are making excuses for it. There is no "ethical" way to raise animals for food as you are KILLING them at the end of the day. You feel you eating is more important than an animals right to live. Simple as that. To even say Mcdonalds or Outback steakhouse isn't a contender in destroying the environment shows how little to nothing you actually know about those businesses. But anyways...YEAAAAAHHHHH ROLLER COASTERS! Im going to Disney in a couple of months for my 2 anniversary with my boyfriend, and he wants to visit Animal Kingdom. What a conundrum I face, huh? We were in the Seaworld area last year visiting Orlando for IOA and US and he mentioned Seaworld and I shot that down.

Of course its reinvested into the parks, its what keeps them running. And I don't "claim" they make a billion, I did some research before posting this and got figures. Also, the post isn't to show sea world in a only negative light. I stated their conservation efforts are great(rescuing, rehabilitating etc) but again, they're a business. Business requires animals to live in tanks. They take their basic freedom away. People will claim they have a "better life" in captivity. Yeah, well, they didn't ask for that. They cannot speak, so they are taken advantage of in that regard. No matter how beautiful, people still see whales below them. And Im slightly disturbed thats all you really took away from that post.

Ok Ok Ok. Ive been following Theme Park Review for quite some time. Im subscribed to their youtube to catch every upload as soon as I can and I frequent the site often, but never posted anything as I never had an account. Until now I never felt obligated to post anything. What initially caught my attention was Robb saying "have you not advanced as a society" in retort earlier in the post. Now, I understand where you came from on that, especially with people falling for the Blackfish propaganda and thinking they're suddenly experts on animal rights. I can't say much on the film, I haven't seen it, but I am very very much into animal rights and welfare and I feel the Seaworld controversy isn't clear cut black and white(ba dum tis) First off, I can guarantee most people on this site(and naturally, in the world) don't give a crap about animals considering theres photos of dead ones in the shape of burgers, hot dogs, soups, pizzas, you name it every time you visit a park. So, this brings me back to "have we not advanced as a society", you only said that because people are attacking a theme park with cute whales in it. Im more than sure their conservation efforts are second or third to the fact of roller coasters and the flipping whales, because certainly if anyone wants to "advance society" you certainly wouldn't be stuffing your face with animals that you're claiming to care about. Advanced society sees animals as animals, not as food. Advanced societies research the effects of animal agriculture and would abandon animal products upon finding out because advanced societies would know its destroying our planet and steal every meager essence of an animals right. Granted, cows, chickens and pigs aren't probably worthy animals in your eyes, like the almighty Orca or dolphin. Which brings me to...if you're so adamant about sea conservation, I suggest you never pick up another piece of seafood in your life. Why? Millions upon millions of sea life, including the cute little dolphins and whales, die every year because of commercial fishing. "By catch" is what happens when you release miles and miles of net into our ocean and trail it behind a ship..catching ANYTHING and EVERYTHING but hardly the intended catch. Whatever is caught that isn't your food, dies by drowning or is hauled up...then tossed back in the ocean, dead. Fishing alone kills more animals a year(not just fish caught for food, I'm talking turtles, dolphins, sharks, rays, etc everything at Seaworld) than sea world could even dream of saving..which brings me to my next point.. Seaworld sells seafood. For a company who thrives of rehabilitation you'd think they'd be pretty damn serious about not killing and eating animals they're trying to save. Or at the least, supporting companies that don't run our oceans BARREN with every net. Now they claim to buy foods from companies who farm fish(not wild caught), I don't know how true that is. And as far as conservation...they do amazing jobs at it. Without a doubt. Since *inception, they donated 50million dollars to organizations! Thats amazing!...they only make over a BILLION dollars a year. The money they donate comes from federal grants, not from what the park generates. And they won't release an animal back to the wild if they deem it profitable. So it becomes the next Shamu. Whales are INCREDIBLE animals. And the interests of humans(profit, entertainment) come way before any of the animals interests. Im not saying they're not cared for well(they have better medical care than i do) But living in a pool, no matter how big, steals the one thing every animal on this planet is entitled to...freedom. They are captives. Glorified slaves. There are plenty of ways Seaworld could benefit whales without having them perform tricks and flips for fat tourists and snotty kids. Whales need tight nit social family groups, whales like to hunt, whales like to swim miles and miles a day. They are denied this and its replaced with artificial enrichment with hoola hoops. If sea world had the captive whales interests in mind, they'd use their "research" to find ways to make conservation happen without exploiting animals. These animals don't showcase their behaviors in the wild, they are trained animals. Seaworld is a business. A business first and for most. Also, I don't agree with randomly releasing captive animals into the wild(I hear thats what some people suggest after watching the film), but they certainly shouldn't be kept in tanks. The tanks are there for access with stadium seating, not the whales benefit.