Genting Theme Park refurbishment (FOX studio theme park)

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Re: Genting Theme Park refurbishment (FOX studio theme park)

Postby Jew » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:06 am

I doubt they are worried about competition or being associated with a casino. More than likely this goes back to what was discussed earlier: is the quality up to what they feel the Marvel brand should be now?
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Postby aueft » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:12 am

Yeah, I saw the news yesterday. I guess I shouldn't be surprised if the Disney / Fox merger is putting a wrench in these Fox World theme parks. :|

I'm hoping this park turns out alright given the legal / licensing issues. The plans for this park and the construction photos make it look super interesting, and I was planning to visit at the end of next year after it (hopefully) opens. =)

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Postby robbalvey » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:17 am

Jew wrote:I doubt they are worried about competition or being associated with a casino.

They absoultely are. Disney has stated many times they don't want to be associated with gambling. This has come up many times with their cruise ships and why you don't see casinos on any of Disney Cruise Lines.
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Re: Genting Theme Park refurbishment (FOX studio theme park)

Postby DirkFunk » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:29 pm

A.J. wrote:Here's an interesting development. Multiple news outlets are reporting that Genting has filed a suit in the United States against 20th Century Fox and the Walt Disney Company for dragging their feet on the development of the park and pulling their license / IP agreements.

Here's the Los Angeles times: https://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-fox-disney-malaysia-lawsuit-20181126-story.html


You can read the entire filing here:

https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2018/11/genm-complaint.pdf

Tough to say what Disney's argument is precisely because they haven't made it yet, obviously. If indeed Fox wasn't living up to their end of the bargain when it came to their input as the lawsuit suggests intentionally to try and extract more money out of Genting and then later to just get out of the project, then Disney's probably going to have to pay a lot of money to make that problem go away.

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Re: Genting Theme Park refurbishment (FOX studio theme park)

Postby kenban » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:46 pm

Legally Fox is still in charge until the merger closes. This is expected to happen on January 1st, 2019. But Fox has been making a ton of moves to clean up contracts and stop anything which cannot be finished before the merger occurs. But at this point in time Disney is supposed to have zero say in the contract or its negotiation. Although that’s rarely completly true, Fox executives know how Disney operates and are likely working towards what they think or know what Disney wants.

From a quick read through of the lawsuit it’s pretty obvious Genting is in violation of the contract. The only question that needs answered is if it really is Fox’s fault that it was unable to meet the deadlines. A lot of the complaints sound pretty standard for attractions based on IP. I think a lot of the problems are due to Genting having zero experience building attractions based on IP. They own Universal Singapore but Universal would have handled everything.

I would not be surprised if the companies do work it out in the end. Disney has shown that they are willing to work in good faith on contracts which they inherit through mergers. But I am amazed that either company thought they could build an IP based park for only $130 million.

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Re: Genting Theme Park refurbishment (FOX studio theme park)

Postby Hilltopper39 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:57 pm

For example, FEG originally wanted
GENM to feature Percy Jackson rather than Independence Day in an attraction. As a result,
GENM engaged a vendor to complete media content and interior design for a Percy Jackson
attraction at significant cost. Yet in January 2016, FEG changed its mind and asked that Percy Jackson be removed from Fox World and replaced with Independence Day after all. In good faith,
GENM accommodated this request, though it meant having to start from scratch to design a
completely different attraction for Independence Day. FEG acted similarly in connection with
asking GENM not to use any IP from the television series Sons of Anarchy in the Park, even after
GENM had already started developing a marquee attraction based on that series, and had agreed
to pay additional license fees in order to obtain the rights to that Fox IP.


At least someone was paying enough attention to can the Percy Jackson attraction.

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Re: Genting Theme Park refurbishment (FOX studio theme park)

Postby A.J. » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:03 pm

robbalvey wrote:
Jew wrote:I doubt they are worried about competition or being associated with a casino.

They absoultely are. Disney has stated many times they don't want to be associated with gambling. This has come up many times with their cruise ships and why you don't see casinos on any of Disney Cruise Lines.

This is my understanding as well. They were huge donors in support of Florida's recently-passed Amendment 3, which effectively limits the expansion of gambling in the state.
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Re: Genting Theme Park refurbishment (FOX studio theme park)

Postby SharkTums » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:06 pm

Also, guys, this place was super sketchy, and this whole process so far has been super sketchy. I'm not surprised we've entered into the blame/lawsuit section of development! Only surprised it wasn't sooner.

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Re: Genting Theme Park refurbishment (FOX studio theme park)

Postby Jew » Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:37 pm

robbalvey wrote:
Jew wrote:I doubt they are worried about competition or being associated with a casino.

They absoultely are. Disney has stated many times they don't want to be associated with gambling. This has come up many times with their cruise ships and why you don't see casinos on any of Disney Cruise Lines.


I still don't buy that as the reason for trying to get out of this deal though. I understand them being anti gambling for anything that carries the Disney brand (the same way they won't release R rated movies under Disney label), but this is slightly different IMO since it's not directly Disney branded.

Really believe it goes back to the place just being sketchy and Fox/Disney wanting out because it will damage the brand. This was 2-3 years ago now, but someone I know who was brought in as one of the vendors in an important role did not hesitate to say that he left after a few months because of what a mess the project was.

The wording in the Universal contract says something along the lines of "the area must be kept up to current industry standards," which is why you saw Spiderman get 4K projectors and the complete re-build of Hulk...Don't think Genting is even doing that currently, so...

This is my understanding as well. They were huge donors in support of Florida's recently-passed Amendment 3, which effectively limits the expansion of gambling in the state.


The Seminole tribe was also a huge backer of that proposition. In that case, IMO, Disney was just looking to block competition.
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Re: Genting Theme Park refurbishment (FOX studio theme park)

Postby aueft » Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:14 pm

Geez. From what you guys have been saying, sounds like I should really temper my expectations on this park... :oops:

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