Will we ever see a comeback of water rides at dry parks?

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Re: Will we ever see a comeback of water rides at dry parks?

Postby Ed Farmer » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:26 am

I thought I read that Six Flags was inquiring about the Mack Power Splash in surveys recently. While that doesn't guarantee anything, it would seem they're at least kicking the tires on something like that.
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Re: Will we ever see a comeback of water rides at dry parks?

Postby thrillrider » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:27 am

CoasterAuditor wrote:Definitely something I can appreciate at Busch Gardens Williamsburg is their trio of fun water rides. I think more water coaster style rides will be added to some parks going forward but it's difficult to see any of the traditional ones going up with the rare exception of Infinity Falls.


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Re: Will we ever see a comeback of water rides at dry parks?

Postby coasterbill » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:29 am

It depends on the type of park.

Water rides are in a weird spot because their popularity (aside from those terrible splash boat things) is overwhelming and they maintain that popularity forever regardless of what other rides get added to the park which generally isn't the case with coasters or thrill rides but they're never the reason that people GO to the park. It's more of an impulse thing once people have been in the park for awhile and they're hot. People love the rides but they're expensive to operate and take up a lot of room that could be used for a ride that draws gate (or is just cheaper to operate and maintain) so for pay-one-price parks the temptation is there to remove them.

I think that a lot of parks do value their popularity but as A.J said, most parks already have their bases covered. There's not really much incentive for established parks to fork over a bunch of money for a water ride that won't draw gate... especially since they probably already have a few of them.

The exception of course is pay-per-ride parks. You rarely see these parks remove flume style rides and you often see them add them. Coney Island is building a giant flume next year (even though they already have another flume) because even though it's not an initial draw, people ride them impulsively in droves so they absolutely print money.

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Re: Will we ever see a comeback of water rides at dry parks?

Postby ThrillSeeker3814 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:31 am

Ok all I was really asking since it is the topic I started really I should rephrase if they are looking into that’s if they’re looking into creating a new type of water ride for a dry park is MackPower Splash, SuperSplash the next generation of water rides at dry parks? Shoot the rapids at CP didn’t close for high maintenance I don’t think it was because their was an accident causing the boat to go backwards on the lift hill.

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Re: Will we ever see a comeback of water rides at dry parks?

Postby coasterbill » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:55 am

ThrillSeeker3814 wrote:Ok all I was really asking since it is the topic I started really I should rephrase if they are looking into that’s if they’re looking into creating a new type of water ride for a dry park is MackPower Splash, SuperSplash the next generation of water rides at dry parks? Shoot the rapids at CP didn’t close for high maintenance I don’t think it was because their was an accident causing the boat to go backwards on the lift hill.


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Re: Will we ever see a comeback of water rides at dry parks?

Postby SharkTums » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:25 am

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Re: Will we ever see a comeback of water rides at dry parks?

Postby A.J. » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:26 am

ThrillSeeker3814 wrote:Ok all I was really asking since it is the topic I started really I should rephrase if they are looking into that’s if they’re looking into creating a new type of water ride for a dry park is MackPower Splash, SuperSplash the next generation of water rides at dry parks? Shoot the rapids at CP didn’t close for high maintenance I don’t think it was because their was an accident causing the boat to go backwards on the lift hill.

What I got from this was: Are the Mack water coaster types (PowerSplash, SuperSplash, water coaster) the next generation of water rides at dry parks?

My answer to that would be: not necessarily. Smaller parks, especially international parks, still do log flumes because they're simple. A kid or parent can just hop in the boat and go. The vehicles are easy to maintain because they're effectively just shells with wheels.

A water coaster from any manufacturer - Mack, Intamin or someone else - is much more involved. For a start, the boats have locking restraint systems and have to be able to switch from a free-flowing channel to a track and back again (EDIT: technically log flumes do this too but their "track" is a lot simpler). The PowerSplash is less of a water coaster and more of a regular shuttle coaster with a water splash, as the "boats" are always running on the coaster track.

EDIT 2: The other argument being made was that Shoot the Rapids closed because of the accident and not because of the maintenance costs.
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Re: Will we ever see a comeback of water rides at dry parks?

Postby Lotologist492 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:16 pm

SharkTums wrote:It's not just maintenance and upkeep, but also the cost of water. In many communities water is becoming more and more expensive and those rides pump through a lot of it.

The cost of water is nominal since it is continually recycled although some does has to be continually added.

Another reason I see as to the decline or stagnation of dry park water attractions is many dry parks have added small water parks which are included with admission. SFoG added a (really) small Hurricane Harbor in 2014 and it has proven to be very popular. If anything this section has dramatically reduced ridership on traditional water rides since those guests wishing to cool off no longer have to wait in a queue just to accomplish that, but rather they can just stroll into the wave pool or stand under the giant bucket - street clothes and all. Meanwhile the 'chute-the-chutes "Splashwater Falls" ride, which has existed since 1987, has stood SBNO all season and no one seemed to notice.

On the other hand, Thunder River remains very popular since it is a thrill ride in addition to a water ride. And the Georgia park has a really nice scenic version.

The Mack Power Splash does look intriguing though.

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Re: Will we ever see a comeback of water rides at dry parks?

Postby DirkFunk » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:38 am

Most of the water rides removed have been ones that dated along with the park's inception or at least during the burst of activity in the late 70s/early 80s for theme park construction/expansion. They just got old. They also require large footprints, which increasingly landlocked parks want to take advantage of.

I'm sure they'll be "back" - most parks still have at least one or two. Good log flumes are hugely popular attractions for example.

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Re: Will we ever see a comeback of water rides at dry parks?

Postby A.J. » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:57 am

DirkFunk wrote:Most of the water rides removed have been ones that dated along with the park's inception or at least during the burst of activity in the late 70s/early 80s for theme park construction/expansion. They just got old. They also require large footprints, which increasingly landlocked parks want to take advantage of.

Agreed. I think we're just starting to see a lot of old log flumes and shoot-the-chutes reach the ends of their service lives. Most new water rides I've kept track of have either been themed (Infinity Falls, Chiapas), or have been direct replacements for a previous water ride (Everland's Thunder Falls). They just aren't the novelty they once were, which begs the question - besides virtual reality, what exactly IS the late 2010s - early 2020s theme park novelty anyway?
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