Nagashima Spa Land Discussion Thread

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Re: Nagashima Spa Land Discussion Thread

Postby mark549 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:36 pm

Kw6sTheatee wrote:About Hakugei’s intensity... according to Coaster Studios’ interview of Alan Schilke, the folks at Nagashima Spa Land were shocked by how intense his original layout proposal was. He had to tweak it a bit to be less intense, which in my opinion isn’t a bad thing at all!



I listened to that interview and I heard him say that after Nagashima's management watched the animation a few times the layout made more sense to them. I didn't hear him say he toned it down at all, merely minor tweaks between the proposal and the final design (as is normal for Schilke creations).

A couple elements look like they are beyond awesome, especially the remnant of the second helix (between the first and second inversions). I've been on six RMCs including SV and this looks as good as any of them.

My only complaint about the coaster is it is far away ... perhaps an opportunity for a long trip.

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Re: Nagashima Spa Land Discussion Thread

Postby pǝʇɹǝʌuı » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:30 pm

I think the Japanese people are absolutely gonna love this ride. They lose their minds about rides in the US, and honestly this'll be just about as intense as most of them. I was with my cousin at SFMM this past summer and we found ourselves right behind two Japanese girls in line for TC. We both speak the language so we talked to them a bit and ended up sitting right in front of them on the ride. They LOVED IT! They didn't want it to be over, they kept saying they wanted it to go on a little longer. If they make it to Nagashima they won't be disappointed by this thing at all. RMC makes quality coasters and, especially compared to White Cyclone, this thing will definitely deliver. The longer elements will add to the presentation of quality and I'm sure Japanese news stations and youtube channels will be all over this once word gets out that it's a fun ride.

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Re: Nagashima Spa Land Discussion Thread

Postby Condor » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:12 pm

To me, this ride looks like the midpoint between Steel Vengeance and New Texas Giant. That's honestly the sweet spot I think a lot of RMCs should (and do) hit. And even if it ends up being more like "NTAG with inversions," that's still good enough to be at minimum a top 20-30 coaster for 90% of the people on this forum, including myself. I look forward to riding it on my first Japan trip this fall.

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Re: Nagashima Spa Land Discussion Thread

Postby 805Andrew » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:30 pm

The length of that drop looks sick! I visited Nagashima in 2015 and White Cyclone was a lengthy ride but just okay in my opinion which makes it a perfect conversion for an RMC. I plan to go back to Japan next year and with all the additions Nagashima has had since them I'm definitely going to include them in my itinerary.
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Re: Nagashima Spa Land Discussion Thread

Postby A.J. » Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:21 am

RAWKIN_coaster38 wrote:Whaaat you mean designers do their research about their target audience before they spend millions designing and building a new ride? :Pr

I can confirm from experience that designing is not easy. :lmao:
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Re: Nagashima Spa Land Discussion Thread

Postby Kw6sTheatee » Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:52 am

A.J. wrote:
RAWKIN_coaster38 wrote:Whaaat you mean designers do their research about their target audience before they spend millions designing and building a new ride? :Pr

I can confirm from experience that designing is not easy. :lmao:


If you don’t mind, what ride(s) have you designed? I’m glad we have some industry professionals on this Forums.
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Re: Nagashima Spa Land Discussion Thread

Postby A.J. » Tue Mar 05, 2019 9:17 am

I can't really say, for obvious reasons. What I can tell you that the work that I've done (so far) has mainly been for hotels, resorts, and retail / dining / entertainment complexes. I have done some work for an upcoming theme park or two as well.

But I was talking less about the ride itself and more about the challenge of designing for a different country and / or culture. People have different expectations, different needs and wants. What's classified as an "intense" coaster is different in Japan vs the United States. What's classified as a "luxury" resort might be different in Germany vs The Bahamas. An "upscale" retail store might even look completely different based on the shopping mall it sits in! It's a challenge that I think pretty much every ride vendor or design firm faces.
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Re: Nagashima Spa Land Discussion Thread

Postby Kw6sTheatee » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:07 am

And I thought only theming had to do with different countries and cultures... then again I have no experience in professional design.
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Re: Nagashima Spa Land Discussion Thread

Postby Samuel » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:46 am

This is my first comment on the ride -- I think it looks gorgeous and spectacular. I love that it has a few great-looking traditional airtime moments to balance the sideways misdirections and inversions. I could gaze at the blue-and-white color scheme all day (it looks good on Twisted Cyclone, too). And what a structure, even after the big helices were removed.

I see nothing to be skeptical about. Skyrush and Maverick are proof that you shouldn't, err, rush to judgement on new coasters during construction (but I would bet on this being fantastic!).

Aside from my anticipation for the coaster itself, my tolerance for internet coaster conjecture is zapped. Too many kids and shut-ins. Bedroom hot takes on YouTube and fantasy No Limits 2 uploads with three-mile-long giga coasters distort expectations. Checking out Hakugei on social media, I see a lot of, "Not Steel Vengeance, so it's a letdown," and then, "Why didn't they just build that one No Limits coaster I saw that one time and it was much better? By the way, I knew everything before my thirteenth birthday."

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Re: Nagashima Spa Land Discussion Thread

Postby Jew » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:58 am

SharkTums wrote:Even if Hakugei ends up being a mid tier RMC that will still make it one of the best coasters in Japan.

It's just such a different culture and I worry giving them a ride like Steel Vengeance wouldn't have paid off. I'm sure this ride will be great for Japan.


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