Marineland animals suffering, former staffers say

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Re: Marineland animals suffering, former staffers say

Postby Nyteowl » Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:09 am

Yeah that place was pretty depressing to be honest. There was more greenery on the walkways than inside the deer pen. Like stated before, there wasn't too much to do. You'd walk a half mile, ride a flat, walk another half mile, ride a flat, and there would be no food places or anything really open in between. But I'm not too concerned about that over the safety and well being of the animals, so let's hope it improves or someone else takes over.
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Re: Marineland animals suffering, former staffers say

Postby kunpc1 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:56 am

There are so many issues with Marineland, that I'm not sure where to start. My last visit to this place was probably around 12-14 years ago.

This is absolutely horrible. But as things like this receive more attention, visitors to Marineland decline. Lower attendance means lower revenue. Lower revenue means less staff and worse conditions for the poor suffering animals there. It's a nasty downward spiral.

If the financials of this place continue to get worse, I really think the only option is to close it down. I can't imagine another company wanting to come in and purchase this site. Let's look at the most likely of groups, SeaWorld.

Marineland would basically need to be completely flattened and re-built from scratch. The current buildings are so out-dated and in some cases, dilapidated that I doubt SeaWorld would salvage them. If you've ever been to a SeaWorld park, they're absolutely beautiful. Can you imagine the cost in building new buildings and the extensive landscaping that would be required? Aside from some gardens near the entrance and around attractions, I remember the entire place being mostly overgrown (definitely NOT SeaWorld's style).

Of all the animal exibits, the only area that may be up to SeaWorld standards is Arctic/Friendship cove. The main stadium at Marineland is small when considering some of the massive tanks/stadiums that SeaWorld keeps its animals in. Never mind the other tiny tanks Marineland uses (or has used in the past). And by the sounds of things, there are no holding areas that are acceptable (humane) to use. I doubt SeaWorld would be keeping animals in a large building with a single skylight as the only source of natural light...

And of course, on top of all this the PR nightmare of trying to convince everyone that the old, horrible Marineland conditions no longer exist. I really don't know what lies ahead for Marineland but whatever it is, I hope the animals there are able to hold on until it happens.

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Re: Marineland animals suffering, former staffers say

Postby fraroc » Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:03 am

I just read the article and I gotta say, even coming from someone that dosen't have a problem with hunting or eating meat, this is just SICK what they're doing. No living thing should have to go through that sort of torture, no matter what the speicies. Hell, If I hear a news story about a dog or a horse being abused...I find it really heartbreaking, you know?

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Re: Marineland animals suffering, former staffers say

Postby deguy123 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:21 am

Just being there with TPR makes me upset to know the animals could be living in unsafe conditions. The park seemed to be busy for the price and we were there on a Monday. The only area I really "noticed" poor conditions was the indoor aquarium area near the front of the park. The animals in that area just seems to be the "rejects" of the park.

Hopefully things change at the park but it seems like people still go there and spend the money!

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Re: Marineland animals suffering, former staffers say

Postby Hercules » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:32 am

BeemerBoy wrote:Also, keep in mind we're talking about a nation that still legally allows up to 400,00 harp seals to be clubbed to death each year. And yet some "enthusiasts" are more concerned about boycotting "fastlane" procedures instead. :|


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Re: Marineland animals suffering, former staffers say

Postby kunpc1 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:40 am

You're right, instead of just boycotting FastLane, boycott the Nation of Canada as well. You make it seem as though every Canadian is okay with the seal hunt and therefor is okay with the horrible way Marineland is treating their animals... :roll:

I expect MUCH more from my Canadian representatives in government. Unfortunately, money often speaks louder than the words/protests spoken by small groups. Hopefully this article will lead to larger groups that will be heard.

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Re: Marineland animals suffering, former staffers say

Postby Hercules » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:42 am

cfc wrote:
Hercules wrote:
Rollercoaster Rider wrote:Where's PETA in this?


They have been involved with this place for a long time. It's sad that it takes interviews with former staffers to get this to be news. When PETA has said anything in the past people have just rolled their eyes.


PETA has mostly themselves to blame for that. All those years of publicity-grabbing stunts have made most of the public immune to their message.

But I agree that something needs to be done about Marineland. The poor animals' situation there sounds deplorable.


Chuck - I completely agree with you. That is certainly one thing that I dislike about PETA, and caused me to disaffiliate myself with the organization for the most part. Their hearts are certainly in the right place, and they are EXTREMELY hard workers there, but their minds are in the wrong place. They truly believe that any publicity is good publicity, but that is just total bubble thinking on their part. They don't realize what kind of a name they are making for themselves in the public eye.

All I was referencing was the comment of "Where is PETA in all of this?", when they have been working on getting this park up to standards for many years:

http://petacms.peta.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/tags/marineland/default.aspx

http://www.peta.org/living/Animal-Friendly-Fun/Deadly-Destinations.aspx

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Re: Marineland animals suffering, former staffers say

Postby BeemerBoy » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:46 am

kunpc1 wrote:You're right, instead of just boycotting FastLane, boycott the Nation of Canada as well. You make it seem as though every Canadian is okay with the seal hunt and therefor is okay with the horrible way Marineland is treating their animals... :roll:

Yes, I also think every Canadian lives in an igloo, skates to/from work, and dines solely on Tim Horton's and Canadian bacon.
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Re: Marineland animals suffering, former staffers say

Postby SharkTums » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:49 am

^He's Canadian, of course he missed the point! ;)

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Re: Marineland animals suffering, former staffers say

Postby kunpc1 » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:54 am

BeemerBoy wrote:Also, keep in mind we're talking about a nation that still legally allows up to 400,00 harp seals to be clubbed to death each year. And yet some "enthusiasts" are more concerned about boycotting "fastlane" procedures instead. :|


What was the point with this comment? I'm not sure what the seal hunt has to do with the horrible conditions reported at Marineland.

I understand where you're going with the fact that people protest silly things when there are much larger issues going on in the world (Fastlane vs inhumanely killing animals). But take a step back and read that comment. This discussion is about a Canadian family/owner not treating animals properly in an aquarium-type setting. It comes off as though you're saying "why expect more from them when Canadians (the nation) allow seals to be clubbed to death each year?"

I'm done now. I'm sorry if this came across the wrong way. I'll return to the Canada's Wonderland thread where I belong.

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