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Re: Alton Towers Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:02 am
by Jew
15 million pounds doesn’t get you much these days I guess. That’s almost $20 million dollars for a junior woodie...

Re: Alton Towers Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:52 am
by JayTricky
Reading back through the last few pages does make me cringe a bit. I mean it's hard to get hyped for this when I see thread after thread of 'better' coasters being built worldwide. But, I will reserve my judgement until riding.

I mean, this is my home park and I've been twice in the last 3 years. That's how un-enthusiastic I am about the place at the moment, which backs up what people were saying on previous pages. Smiler was exciting when it came out but I have no desire to go back and ride it again.

The one thing I'll give to Alton is that they haven't used any 'Worlds First' marketing or ridiculous TH13TEEN completely over the top embarrassing marketing ploys. If this coaster turns out to be a good, fun, family coaster then I am completely fine with that. Just market it as one! (as that is what it 'looks' like it will be). It seems in days past, Alton have desperately tried to grab worldwide attention for rides that were unworthy of it - desperately looking to create the next Nemesis legacy.

Re: Alton Towers Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:41 am
by DILinator
Not an AT fanboy, and I've never been actually, but I still think this coaster looks pretty fun! Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm not sure why all the negativity about it... *shrugging smiley that doesn't exist* I'll say this, even though I like Log Flumes better than most (not coasterbill obviously! :lol: ), I'd rather have this than a Log Flume at my local park! Especially since AT doesn't have anything else like it. I look forward to riding it, whenever I finally make it across the pond!

Re: Alton Towers Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:46 am
by Garet
Every time I see news on this rollercoaster it just reminds me that the huge cross valley wooden roller coaster with an almost 200ft drop through trees never happened.

Re: Alton Towers Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:42 am
by Canobie Coaster
Jew wrote:15 million pounds doesn’t get you much these days I guess. That’s almost $20 million dollars for a junior woodie...


This is the part that baffles me most. I keep thinking there has to be something special to this, so unless they plan on enclosing the thing at the end, I am struggling to see where the cost is. Mystic Timbers by comparison cost $15 million.

Re: Alton Towers Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:47 am
by 1aflack
Not sure whether Mustic timbers is on a flat site but there is a hell of a lot of ground works on a site like this, don't also forget they had to remove the old log flume as well.

Re: Alton Towers Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:40 am
by JayTricky
Canobie Coaster wrote:
Jew wrote:15 million pounds doesn’t get you much these days I guess. That’s almost $20 million dollars for a junior woodie...


This is the part that baffles me most. I keep thinking there has to be something special to this, so unless they plan on enclosing the thing at the end, I am struggling to see where the cost is. Mystic Timbers by comparison cost $15 million.


The excavation/groundwork possibly? Even the huge Wicker Man structure wouldn't make much of a dent into a 15m budget surely?

They've just started to implement rock work around the structure. Same people that worked on Taron. Maybe it's that, coupled with some elaborate pre-show that might explain the price.

Re: Alton Towers Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:01 am
by robbalvey
DILinator wrote:Not an AT fanboy, and I've never been actually, but I still think this coaster looks pretty fun! Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm not sure why all the negativity about it...

Maybe if you read the last few pages? The whole point was how the Alton Towers fanboys have been hyping this up to be something special (launched lift hill, some sort of secret element, the whole 'washing machine' mentality all over again, etc...) but really this just looks like your average sized GCI woodie with nothing special at all.

And you're right, if this turns out to be a fun family coaster, there is nothing wrong with that. The negativity wasn't really towards the ride itself, but all the fanboys making it out to be something more than it is.

Re: Alton Towers Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:42 am
by Moley
robbalvey wrote:The negativity wasn't really towards the ride itself, but all the fanboys making it out to be something more than it is.

Because we saw a unusual design for a lift hill, the ride's budget and the park's use of new 'coaster tech' and wondered if it could be something different? Don't see anyone claiming they know of any secret element, especially given the park's use of 'groundbreaking development' and 'world class experience' rather than the 'world first' or 'record breaking' mottos of recent additions. If speculation is frowned upon then god help the people discussing what Epcot's Guardians of the Galaxy coaster could be.

Re: Alton Towers Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:28 am
by michaellynn4
Moley wrote:
robbalvey wrote:The negativity wasn't really towards the ride itself, but all the fanboys making it out to be something more than it is.

Because we saw a unusual design for a lift hill, the ride's budget and the park's use of new 'coaster tech' and wondered if it could be something different? Don't see anyone claiming they know of any secret element, especially given the park's use of 'groundbreaking development' and 'world class experience' rather than the 'world first' or 'record breaking' mottos of recent additions. If speculation is frowned upon then god help the people discussing what Epcot's Guardians of the Galaxy coaster could be.


You have to keep in mind that it's not just about the speculation over this particular coaster. It's about the speculation over this coaster being the continuation of a long trend of each new AT addition being wildly hyped up and overblown, then failing to deliver upon said expectations. Here are some examples:

Rita: Advertised as the ""Fastest Roller Coaster Yet", a whole whopping 61.1mph in 2005.
Thirteen: Already covered ad nauseum by Robb. "Scariest Coaster Yet!" Yeaaaa, not really.
Smiler: "Most Inversions, Yay!!" Yes, but the layout is really just two 7-loop coasters fused together. Not as impressive as if it was one full circuit.

The rest of us are all burnt out on these "over-promise / under-deliver" situations. Each of the coasters above are widely considered to be "good, fun" coasters, but nothing near the hyped up versions some AT fanboys want us to believe they are. History is repeating itself yet again.