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Re: Busch Gardens Tampa Bay (BGT BGA Discussion Thread)

Postby cfc » Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:01 pm

SharkTums wrote:^From what I understand and heard, putting the MF trains on an already ripped up, beat up ride could never help and Busch didn't want to spend the money on more than some simple retracking.


Yeah, that would be like driving a Cadillac on a bumpy mountain road, then being surprised when all the tires blowout and the shocks give way.
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Re: Busch Gardens Tampa Bay (BGT BGA Discussion Thread)

Postby aCoasterStory » Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:49 pm

SharkTums wrote:^From what I understand and heard, putting the MF trains on an already ripped up, beat up ride could never help and Busch didn't want to spend the money on more than some simple retracking.


I will say, none of the GCI's I've ridden that have gone from PTC trains to MF's have been at all pleasant, but ROAR at SFA is actually running halfway decent this year with the PTC trains because of extensive retracking through the first couple of drops.


What sucks is that a great dueling wooden coaster is actually a perfect fit for the park and that specific location...the only problem is that they didn't use the MF trains (yet the SFDK ROAR that opened earlier in the same year *did* have the MF trains).


I see 4 options for BGT with Gwazi:

1) complete wood retrack (highly unlikely, IMHO, particularly due to the extensive continual maintenance required)
2) complete topper track retrack (the more practical option, which would likely result in an actually fun ride)
3) Iron Horse treatment (a dueling Iron Horse would be really cool)
4) tear it all down & build something completely from scratch (what they would do, I don't know, but they can't build another woodie right there w/o the GP thinking it was still Gwazi, even though that's what the park's coaster lineup would really be lacking)
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Re: Busch Gardens Tampa Bay (BGT BGA Discussion Thread)

Postby DoinItForTheFame » Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:02 pm

aCoasterStory wrote:3) Iron Horse treatment (a dueling Iron Horse would be really cool)
I vote this option! I would LOVE to see Gwazi made into a dueling Iron Horse coaster!!! Imagine the possibilities....
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Re: Busch Gardens Tampa Bay (BGT BGA Discussion Thread)

Postby cwgator » Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:13 pm

Tear it Down!!!!!! Create something new. A nice new woodie would be nice....but I'd rather have a hyper or giga. Tampa is just really a harsh place for a wooden coaster to keep up to par; especially since it's a year-round park. Perhaps if they use steel supports maybe?
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Re: Busch Gardens Tampa Bay (BGT BGA Discussion Thread)

Postby CPSFMMCW » Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:42 pm

Heres what I gotta say: It looks to me that its either gonna be torn down or i box by RMC. One frickin side of the coaster isn't running! That says something by itself! I personally think that they'll choose to RMC gwazi and then maybe the following year or two add in a wooden coaster so they have a true woodie in the park. Or at least, thats what they should do.
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Re: Busch Gardens Tampa Bay (BGT BGA Discussion Thread)

Postby SharkTums » Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:45 pm

cwgator wrote:Tear it Down!!!!!! Create something new. A nice new woodie would be nice....but I'd rather have a hyper or giga. Tampa is just really a harsh place for a wooden coaster to keep up to par; especially since it's a year-round park. Perhaps if they use steel supports maybe?


Yeah but if they tear it down we'll probably just get a B&M Hyper. I'd rather have a RMC redo.

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Re: Busch Gardens Tampa Bay (BGT BGA Discussion Thread)

Postby aCoasterStory » Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:50 pm

SharkTums wrote:
cwgator wrote:Tear it Down!!!!!! Create something new. A nice new woodie would be nice....but I'd rather have a hyper or giga. Tampa is just really a harsh place for a wooden coaster to keep up to par; especially since it's a year-round park. Perhaps if they use steel supports maybe?


Yeah but if they tear it down we'll probably just get a B&M Hyper. I'd rather have a RMC redo.


I'd like to see an RMC redo and then have the *next* expansion be a B&M hyper. But I have no idea where they'd put a B&M hyper without having it run along the northern or western edges of the park, or go out over the Serengeti plain (which would actually be really awesome).

But then it'd have 4 B&M's. How many parks have 4 B&M's? But then what other type of ride would fit this park well (assuming an RMC makeover of Gwazi)?

Their current park lineup is incredibly impressive:

the "Big 4":
Montu, my #1 invert
SheiKra, my #1 dive coaster (and an incredibly fun and re-rideable ride)
Kumba, many enthusiasts' #1 coaster
Cheetah Hunt, an incredibly fun, long, and popular multi-launched coaster
plus a classic Schwarzkopf in Scorpion, a (slow and honestly not terribly fun) wild mouse in Sand Serpent, and a kiddie coaster in Air Grover

throw in an RMC makeover of Gwazi, and you'd have the "Big 6" (Iron Lion and Steel Tiger, anyone?)

But what then? What kind of coaster would the park still be missing??

Stand-ups are out of vogue. Wing and flying coasters came and went and I don't anticipate seeing too many more of those (at least until B&M tries their hand at a 4D coaster). They don't need a floorless since they have Kumba.

I'm not sure if any of the Intamin offerings would make sense given that they already have Cheetah Hunt. I don't think I could see a giga or megalite or another launched coaster. I can't see them going with a Vekoma, except maybe an SFC (if they did that, i'd hope they'd do a custom terrain version like Orkanen).

I don't know if any of the smaller manufacturers have anything that would work well for BGT, especially as far as capacity is concerned.

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Re: Busch Gardens Tampa Bay (BGT BGA Discussion Thread)

Postby CPSFMMCW » Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:16 pm

^ Flying coaster in my opinion would be awesome, but I think we'd definitely be seeing a hyper beforehand.
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Re: Busch Gardens Tampa Bay (BGT BGA Discussion Thread)

Postby aCoasterStory » Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:15 pm

CPSFMMCW wrote:^ Flying coaster in my opinion would be awesome, but I think we'd definitely be seeing a hyper beforehand.


Of the 5 US B&M flyers, I actually prefer the S:UF at SFOG because of how well it interacts with the terrain (I know I'm in the minority--Tatsu just didn't do it for me). But Starry Sky Ripper/Sky Scrapper looks like it'd be pretty sweet. I think I'd be open to a newer-style, more epic flying coaster, but it'd still be the 4th B&M, and I don't know how they'd theme it effectively or where they'd be able to put it.
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Re: Busch Gardens Tampa Bay (BGT BGA Discussion Thread)

Postby Cyrbuzz » Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:02 am

Being that Sea World in Orlando already has a flyer I doubt they will put one in Busch Gardens. I'm going with hyper or slight possible giga coaster as Gwazi's replacement.

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