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Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 6:46 pm
by Ace Of Spades
SpookyScarySkeleton wrote:BGW needs a headlining attraction

Why didn't anyone tell us they removed Griffon, Apollo's Chariot, and Alpengeist?! :wtf:

Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 6:58 pm
by Afterburner
I get where they're coming from. Kings Dominion has definitely taken the lead in terms of major thrill rides in the area. But I don't think getting a proper family coaster would prevent BGW from also installing something more thrilling shortly after.

Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 7:33 pm
by CoasterAuditor
Amusement Parks don't "need" any rides to be added they just need money and attendance to continue operations. BGW could not add a single ride for 25 years and still be operating with solid attendance.

EDIT: Sometimes coaster enthusiasts like to use "this park needs" as a word filter for "I want this park to have this because I want it, me"

Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 7:27 am
by SLCHeadache
CoasterAuditor wrote:BGW could not add a single ride for 25 years and still be operating with solid attendance.

Bring BGT's beer sample program over here, and they could probably pull that off.

Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 8:46 am
by CoasterAuditor
SLCHeadache wrote:
CoasterAuditor wrote:BGW could not add a single ride for 25 years and still be operating with solid attendance.

Bring BGT's beer sample program over here, and they could probably pull that off.


Their yearly additions could be an expanded beer selection for those 25 years each year :lol:

Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 9:38 am
by SpookyScarySkeleton
Afterburner wrote:I get where they're coming from. Kings Dominion has definitely taken the lead in terms of major thrill rides in the area. But I don't think getting a proper family coaster would prevent BGW from also installing something more thrilling shortly after.


They already have a proper family coaster

Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 3:49 pm
by VegasBaby
SpookyScarySkeleton wrote:
Afterburner wrote:I get where they're coming from. Kings Dominion has definitely taken the lead in terms of major thrill rides in the area. But I don't think getting a proper family coaster would prevent BGW from also installing something more thrilling shortly after.


They already have a proper family coaster


They really don't have a proper family coaster. The two "family" coasters at BGW have height requirements of 46" (Invadr) and 48" (Verbolten). When I think of family coasters, I think of rides with 40-42" height requirements that the whole family can ride together. (Most kids hit 42" by the time they are 5 years old.)

Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 5:11 pm
by SpookyScarySkeleton
VegasBaby wrote:
SpookyScarySkeleton wrote:
Afterburner wrote:I get where they're coming from. Kings Dominion has definitely taken the lead in terms of major thrill rides in the area. But I don't think getting a proper family coaster would prevent BGW from also installing something more thrilling shortly after.


They already have a proper family coaster


They really don't have a proper family coaster. The two "family" coasters at BGW have height requirements of 46" (Invadr) and 48" (Verbolten). When I think of family coasters, I think of rides with 40-42" height requirements that the whole family can ride together. (Most kids hit 42" by the time they are 5 years old.)


Then decrease the limit of Invadr and stop overspending on family rides.

Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 4:03 am
by A.J.
CoasterAuditor wrote:Sometimes coaster enthusiasts like to use "this park needs" as a word filter for "I want this park to have this because I want it, me"

Hey, look at that, someone is actually making some sense!

Busch Gardens and Kings Dominion are different. While the parks share a physical demographic, their clientele are different. Kings Dominion is an exciting coaster park with a few hotels scattered throughout the immediate area. Busch Gardens Williamsburg is a landscaped theme park, in an already tourism-friendly area, that just so happens to have a few really good coasters in it. Kings Dominion has the better coasters, for sure, but it can't match the selection of shows, good food, and beautiful vistas that Busch Gardens provides.

Are we really so spoiled that a park is "losing ground" only because they haven't one-upped another park in the past few years? There's something to be said about a slow and steady business model. Does anyone realize that Busch Gardens had literally no new "headlining" coaster additions for eight years (Apollo's Chariot to Griffon)? In fact, the only other major new attractions that I can recall happening in that period were the Ireland renovation in 2001 and Curse of DarKastle in 2005. In my opinion, a park doesn't have to continually one-up themselves or their competitors to continue to grow - they just have to keep delivering a great experience.

Re: Busch Gardens Williamsburg (BGW BGE) Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 5:09 am
by SLCHeadache
VegasBaby wrote:They really don't have a proper family coaster. The two "family" coasters at BGW have height requirements of 46" (Invadr) and 48" (Verbolten). When I think of family coasters, I think of rides with 40-42" height requirements that the whole family can ride together. (Most kids hit 42" by the time they are 5 years old.)

I consider Verbolten as aggressive as Loch Ness Monster if not more so. I guess some would call it family, I sure wouldn't. InvadR's intensity is appropriate for a lower minimum height, though. And that brings me to...

SpookyScarySkeleton wrote:Then decrease the limit of Invadr and stop overspending on family rides.

48" is par for most GCIs, Joris en de Draak is the equivalent of 42"/44", though. BGW should get with GCI and make whatever modifications necessary to get that minimum height down. Probably wouldn't cost as much as a large new ride for this minimum height.

A.J. wrote:Are we really so spoiled that a park is "losing ground" only because they haven't one-upped another park in the past few years? There's something to be said about a slow and steady business model. Does anyone realize that Busch Gardens had literally no new "headlining" coaster additions for eight years (Apollo's Chariot to Griffon)? In fact, the only other major new attractions that I can recall happening in that period were the Ireland renovation in 2001 and Curse of DarKastle in 2005. In my opinion, a park doesn't have to continually one-up themselves or their competitors to continue to grow - they just have to keep delivering a great experience.

On top of that, KD had an eight-year gap between I305 and TT.