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Re: Six Flags America (SFA) Discussion Thread

Postby djackson » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:21 am

Jason Maier wrote:I mean . . . I'm grateful that SFA is getting a new thing for Hurricane Harbor . . . but I still feel that (compared to other additions) SFA is the bastard step child (along with Great Escape and La Ronde) of the SF chain.

I'm still renewing for 2018 . . . hell, I got to make my requisite trips to Great Adventure (and I'll get off my A$$ and fly out to one of the other parks as well)


All three of the "step-child" parks got great additions.

-Great Escape got a nice flat that we haven't seen at a Six Flags Park before.
-La Ronde got a pretty decent sized expansion that looks to include one of the Tourbillon rides like Over Texas and Great Adventure
- We got a unique renovation to what was a terrible lazy river. The thing was a complete eye sore.

I think the reason we aren't seeing huge flats and coasters at these parks is because of the demographics. These parks are drawing more families then your parks like Magic Mountain and Great Adventure. They want to cater to who they can rely on coming to the park constantly.
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Re: Six Flags America (SFA) Discussion Thread

Postby CoasterAuditor » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:24 am

Jcoaster wrote:This thread is approaching King's Dominion thread levels.


There must be something in the air in Virginia and Maryland that makes the coaster lovers slightly crazy.
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Re: Six Flags America (SFA) Discussion Thread

Postby djackson » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:30 am

CoasterLover wrote:SFA is in a tough market with Hershey and KD... a 15 million dollar addition at SFA probably doesn't get the same return in attendance at SFA as it might at a park with less competition like SFFT and I suspect any attendance boosts are much shorter lived as people will go to SFA the year the new attraction opens but head back to the other parks as they open new attractions in subsequent years. It may be that corporate is resigned to add just enough to SFA to maintain their current market share but not add anything to try and expand their market share. This may just be the reality that we need to face.


I think Wahoo River is an attempt to compete with Hershey's new addition. The park doesn't have much space to add a slide without removing one and all but Zoomazon falls consistently have a line. A more immersive lazy river is probably thing they could've added outside of a Water Coaster.

I don't think the park sees itself as a competitor to KD. KD is pretty far from home for the Baltimore crowd which is the Major market for SFA. Even if they did see themselves as a competitor, trying to compete Twisted Timbers would have been dumb.
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Re: Six Flags America (SFA) Discussion Thread

Postby CoasterLover » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:38 am

CoasterAuditor wrote:There must be something in the air in Virginia and Maryland that makes the coaster lovers slightly crazy.


It's the conflict of potential vs. outcome vs. locals. The area is jam packed with people (people with lots of money) so one would think that the potential for the area to have several VERY big (Orlando or LA magnitude) parks would be high, yet (and while I agree Busch Gardens is a very high caliber park adding high caliber attractions), Kings Dominion and SFA seem to be becoming second or third (or possibly even lower) tier parks in their respective chains. And when a big park chain does come along looking to build something amazing (which has happened a couple times now), the local "Not In My Back Yard" people come out in force to drive away any new builds (as you probably know, Disney has tried to build in the area before and even Marriott was looking to build a third park here around the time they were building the other two Great America parks [the ones that eventually became SFGAm and CGA]). It's quite frustrating...

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Re: Six Flags America (SFA) Discussion Thread

Postby CoasterLover » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:46 am

djackson wrote:The park doesn't have much space to add a slide without removing one.


There are no restrictions that would prevent the park from expanding into this area (and beyond) other than the expense of expanding the infrastructure into an area that was previously not used for park use (and possibly the cost to pave some of their western dirt parking lot to compensate for the lost parking spots.

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Re: Six Flags America (SFA) Discussion Thread

Postby SLCHeadache » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:50 am

djackson wrote:I don't think the park sees itself as a competitor to KD. KD is pretty far from home for the Baltimore crowd which is the Major market for SFA. Even if they did see themselves as a competitor, trying to compete Twisted Timbers would have been dumb.

DC seems to be their primary market. They're closer to DC, and their Twitter username is "SixFlagsDC", not "SixFlagsMD".

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CoasterAuditor wrote:There must be something in the air in Virginia and Maryland that makes the coaster lovers slightly crazy.


It's the conflict of potential vs. outcome vs. locals. The area is jam packed with people (people with lots of money) so one would think that the potential for the area to have several VERY big (Orlando or LA magnitude) parks would be high, yet (and while I agree Busch Gardens is a very high caliber park adding high caliber attractions), Kings Dominion and SFA seem to be becoming second or third (or possibly even lower) their parks in their respective chains. And when a big park chain does come along looking to build something amazing (which has happened a couple times now), the local "Not In My Back Yard" people come out in force to drive away any new builds (as you probably know, Disney has tried to build in the area before and even Marriott was looking to build a third park here around the time they were building the other two Great America parks [the ones that eventually became SFGAm and CGA]). It's quite frustrating...

I wouldn't call KD low tier at Cedar Fair, when VF/Dorney/WoF and maybe CGA still have a lot of catching up to do. I'm guessing the gap between I305 and TT may have skewed perceptions.

As for another possible reason why DC/VA doesn't have Orlando/LA quality attractions, our winters are worse than those two and pretty much prevent year-round operations. But if SFA and BGW can run holiday events...
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Re: Six Flags America (SFA) Discussion Thread

Postby CoasterAuditor » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:55 am

CoasterLover wrote:
CoasterAuditor wrote:There must be something in the air in Virginia and Maryland that makes the coaster lovers slightly crazy.


It's the conflict of potential vs. outcome vs. locals. The area is jam packed with people (people with lots of money) so one would think that the potential for the area to have several VERY big (Orlando or LA magnitude) parks would be high, yet (and while I agree Busch Gardens is a very high caliber park adding high caliber attractions), Kings Dominion and SFA seem to be becoming second or third (or possibly even lower) tier parks in their respective chains. And when a big park chain does come along looking to build something amazing (which has happened a couple times now), the local "Not In My Back Yard" people come out in force to drive away any new builds (as you probably know, Disney has tried to build in the area before and even Marriott was looking to build a third park here around the time they were building the other two Great America parks [the ones that eventually became SFGAm and CGA]). It's quite frustrating...


Wait how on earth do NIMBY people have any effect on Kings Dominion or even SFA?? I know they do have an effect on Busch Gardens with Kingsmill but when you look at an overhead view of KD it's literally in the middle of nothing. SFA already has a 200 footer and they just built a 242 foot tall tower. The only place I believe that has to deal with NIMBY people is Busch Gardens. If you're referring to new parks specifically then yeah I suppose it is difficult to build more tourist attractions but I can't imagine a 4th park having a ton of success. Ironically the park in the largest metro area does the worst of the three parks.
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Re: Six Flags America (SFA) Discussion Thread

Postby coasterbill » Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:22 am

Upon further review, their existing lazy river is the most piss poor excuse for a lazy river in the history of lazy rivers. I never paid much attention before, but god damn, they REALLY needed this.

You walk down stairs to get in it which makes it tough for little kids to get in their tubes and really limits capacity on a ride where capacity should never be an issue, generally you enter a lazy river on a gradual slope (and you will on the new one). Then once you're in the river it's as plain looking as possible, it's incredibly short and there's absolutely nothing going on.

Seriously, this is terrible.

After seeing that, I'm totally on board with this addition. :lol:

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Re: Six Flags America (SFA) Discussion Thread

Postby CoasterAuditor » Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:26 am

Pretty sure when I went to SFA in 2008 I had absolutely no interest in their lazy river. This new one may peak my interest a lot more. My only issue is the general lack of excitement factor for me personally but that is a personal problem.
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Re: Six Flags America (SFA) Discussion Thread

Postby djackson » Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:29 am

CoasterAuditor wrote:Pretty sure when I went to SFA in 2008 I had absolutely no interest in their lazy river. This new one may peak my interest a lot more. My only issue is the general lack of excitement factor for me personally but that is a personal problem.


Search up Roa's Rapids at Aquatica or Fearless River at Volcano Bay. If they run this at a decent speed and if this has decent theming like Apocalypse it should be the 2nd best ride in the water park. My only problem with it is where is the route going to go?
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