Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby Pedrinho » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:00 am

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Postby coasterbill » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:27 am

willh51 wrote:It won’t be a flyer. Unless the new regime goes against what Dick Kinzel once said, they won’t install a flyer. I can’t find the article but it was something about a flyer being too gimmicky. He also said they wouldn’t install an Intamin woodie. But, times and management have changed.


B&M Flyers are too gimmicky for Cedar Fair. They prefer to focus on Mystical mystery sheds that blast Bonnie Tyler songs at you while you sit on the brake run and shattering 10 totally-not-bullsh*t world records with B&M dive machines.

PS: Dick Kinzel hasn't been the CEO of Cedar Fair in like seven years. You'll probably end up being right for the wrong reasons as they just implied on their latest conference call that the major coaster additions will likely slow down but I guarantee that nobody currently running the company cares what Dick Kinzel supposedly said about flying coasters.

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Postby thrillseeker4552 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:27 am

^My thoughts exactly. I don't see how a big, awesome B&M Flyer is more gimmicky than some of the stuff Cedar Fair has done recently as you mentioned.

Cedar Point or not, I really hope we see another big B&M Flyer come to the US. I feel like there is so much potential for crazy elements and layouts on those coasters that really only Flying Dinosaur has begun to explore.
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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby oriolat » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:06 am

Plus, a well-operated B&M Flying coaster is a capacity monster, just like Cedar Point likes them.

Phantasialand is going to build a flying coaster prototype by Vekoma that could potentially start a comeback of said model? Personally, I really like these rides, and GPs always love the idea of flying (just look how freaked out they are at the station when the seats tilt backwards into flying position).

I think given the good relationship that Cedar Fair has with B&M, and given CP's coaster portfolio, a nice intense B&M Flying coaster could be the icing on the cake on Cedar Point's coaster line-up.

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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby bert425 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:27 am

they really could use a good dark ride tho. . .maybe something along the lines of Black Diamond at Knoebel's, or the Mine Train at Knott's. . . so they could call it a "coaster", to go with the "America's Roller Coast" tagline.

hell, they call Pipe Scream a coaster, so I'm hoping for a large Dark Ride (in the current location of the Arcade)
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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby DirkFunk » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:34 pm

Cedar Point needs indoor attractions yesterday, because when it rains, it's a goddamned mess. Not just one, but multiple attractions: flying theaters, "immersive tunnels", dark rides, simulators, shooter games like the Plants vs. Zombies or Mass Effect games, the whole 9 yards. The more of it, the better. They've been getting an earful on the conference calls about this for awhile too. There's no excuses that they can't be in some frame aware.

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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby appel » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:55 pm

coasterbill wrote: You'll probably end up being right for the wrong reasons as they just implied on their latest conference call that the major coaster additions will likely slow down but I guarantee that nobody currently running the company cares what Dick Kinzel supposedly said about flying coasters.

I get that they need to install more indoor attractions, but slowing down major coaster additions sounds bad for me.
Although being from Germany, we visit the US every year because of their massive coaster additions (Fury, Leviathan, Valravn, Steel Vengeance,....).
What do you guys think does "slowing down" in Cedar Fair style mean? Only one big coaster every few years for the whole chain, more midsize coasters?

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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby DirkFunk » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:18 pm

appel wrote:
coasterbill wrote: You'll probably end up being right for the wrong reasons as they just implied on their latest conference call that the major coaster additions will likely slow down but I guarantee that nobody currently running the company cares what Dick Kinzel supposedly said about flying coasters.

I get that they need to install more indoor attractions, but slowing down major coaster additions sounds bad for me.
Although being from Germany, we visit the US every year because of their massive coaster additions (Fury, Leviathan, Valravn, Steel Vengeance,....).
What do you guys think does "slowing down" in Cedar Fair style mean? Only one big coaster every few years for the whole chain, more midsize coasters?


If you look at the stretch of 2004-2012, Cedar Point built one roller coaster for 9 seasons of operation (Maverick). They built flat rides (SkyHawk, MaxAir, Windseeker), a new log Flume (Shoot The Rapids), kids rides, splash bucket, racing water slides, and Dinosaurs Alive.

JMHO, but what's planned for 2019 reminds me of their new for 2009 addition of Starlight Experience (literally lights in the Frontier Trail) That year there was an officially recognized dip of 10% in attendance. But I could be wrong, of course.

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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby FeelTheFORCE » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:30 pm

The dip in 09 is probably attributed more to the recession of the time. Those were some great years to be an enthusiast, being literally the only one walking down the midway on a cold early May day.

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Re: Cedar Point (CP) Discussion Thread

Postby RAWKIN_coaster38 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:51 am

oriolat wrote:A nice intense B&M Flying coaster could fill the hole in Kings Island's coaster line-up now that Firehawk is gone.

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