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Re: PortAventura Discussion Thread

Postby jedimaster1227 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:11 pm

^I went ahead and moved your question into our official discussion thread for PortAventura, because if anyone knows the answer, it'd likely be someone who posts in here!
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Re: PortAventura Discussion Thread

Postby chokeslamcena » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:16 pm

Cheers, JediMaster. Not sure how I hadn't stumbled across this thread already, to be honest.

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Re: PortAventura Discussion Thread

Postby rubysparkles » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:01 pm

Where did you find these reports? I'd like to look at them myself. I had a quick google search and couldn't find anything.

I do find B&Ms usually tighter on the thighs than most other manufacturers, but it does seem unlikely that a man weighing 15-16 stone would have trouble getting on B&M hyper. Even if he has unusually big thighs for a man.

I can't see B&M making smaller seats than the ones found on their inverted, hyper and wing models. I find inverted the tightest fit tbh, but it really does depend on your dimensions. You're never going to get a definite answer until you go though.
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Re: PortAventura Discussion Thread

Postby chokeslamcena » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:49 am

Hi RubySparkles,


Well it's mentioned on Facebook here;

http://www.facebook.com/CoasterCritic/posts/415937291761667?comment_id=5149213&offset=0&total_comments=8

(and after reading that guy Xavi's comments, I took a flick through his photos on his FB page, and he doesn't seem like any kind of a big guy at all, to me).


And a little closer to home, there's this thread on this forum of the opening day:

http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=62622


In which he says (under a photo of the seat):

"Apparently, those noodles are very restrictive. In fact I saw lots of riders being turned away because of the size of their thighs. Is this also usual in other B&M hyper models?"

(a few people reply, no in depth discussion takes place)


Then, lastly, a forum called Bojangles' Famous Chicken 'n Biscuits as a thread on it, too;

http://www.Bojangles' Famous Chicken 'n Biscuits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=29863&start=1540&reset-settings

Where a user called oriolat starts a discussion on it;

"Seems that Shambhala is not "fat-friendly"...

I have seen a lot of people get kicked out of the ride because the restraint was not as far down as required to dispatch the train.

It seems weird because other B&M hypers operate just fine (even the American ones, with more overweight population!). How come?

Does anybody know if B&M have changed their standards in terms of restraints? Silver Star is also from B&M and doesn't have this problem and even people that has a "normal" weight and fitted in the test seat have been kicked of Shambhala because of the size of their thighs..."




So there definitely seems to be an issue, but I'm not sure if the Facebook guy was correct in stating that the park actually looked at it. I'd send them along an email only I assume it'd be completely ignored or I'd get generic spam in return? Are Port Aventura good with emailing people back?


As I say now though, this guy, and myself aswell (I'm not the smallest in the world, either) had no problem with Furius Baco, Dragon Khan or any other roller coaster/ride in Port Aventura, so it'd be very disappointing/embarrassing for any one to be kicked off (not just in our group, but in general, could kill someone's confidence being kicked off a rollercoaster in front of that many people, and potentially ruin a day/holiday. Especially seen as the test seat doesn't seem to be accurate.

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Re: PortAventura Discussion Thread

Postby rubysparkles » Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:47 am

I'm going next week, so I'll let you know what I think. It makes sense that it's the seatbelt portion rather than the actual seats.

I would just bear in mind I read the same things about The Swarm when it opened, however it seemed to be the same as all B&Ms in the park.
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Re: PortAventura Discussion Thread

Postby coasterfreak101 » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:57 am

rubysparkles wrote:I'm going next week, so I'll let you know what I think. It makes sense that it's the seatbelt portion rather than the actual seats.


Does Shambhala have a seatbelt portion? I've never seen a B&M hyper with a seatbelt - only the clamshells.
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Re: PortAventura Discussion Thread

Postby rubysparkles » Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:02 am

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rubysparkles wrote:I'm going next week, so I'll let you know what I think. It makes sense that it's the seatbelt portion rather than the actual seats.


Does Shambhala have a seatbelt portion? I've never seen a B&M hyper with a seatbelt - only the clamshells.


I'm just going on one of those facebook comments so probably not. Maybe they didn't mean seatbelt.
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Re: PortAventura Discussion Thread

Postby Rollercoasters4Life » Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:32 am

No it doesn't have seatbelts, it just has the usual clamshell restraint. I went back in May and I was with someone that weights around 16-17 stone and he got on once and not the second time. In the end we put the reason why he didn't get on the second time down to him having his hat in one pocket and glasses in the other - even the first time around he had to have a ride host push down on the clamshell to get it to close. He has got quiet big legs though but was fine. You're friend might find it a tight fit but hopefully should get on.

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Re: PortAventura Discussion Thread

Postby chokeslamcena » Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:01 am

Cheers for the replies. I do find it a strange occurrence though.

From the looks of the seat, it's just a thin narrow bar that goes down between the legs, and then the console sits above the waist (thus holding your stomache/upper thighs in place)? Surely that seat design should theoretically work with anyone, regardless of how big or small they are?

Surely if the seats didn't need to lock to a certain point, but instead just as far as they can on an individual, then the person is stuck in the seat anyway, regardless (that is, once it's locked on a particular person, that person has the console jammed on top of them anyway?) (excluding people who may be dangerously large, or spilling out of the seat or such, but to be fair, people of such size would generally have issue riding any coaster).

Obviously there must be a reason why this isn't feasible, or they'd have done it that way in the first place, but I (again, theoretically) can't see any reason why that wouldn't work.

I'd be very curious to hear how you get on Ruby.

Rollercoasters4life; that's a strange one, alright. Seems like a pretty poor issue, to me (I don't think it'll affect me, personally, though who knows, but I just think that it's a strange thing to have to deal with. If they knew it was going to be an issue (and even if they didn't, surely they do now) you'd think they'd make a little press release with suggested guidelines on people's sizes or such to fit the coaster (or switch out the seats as, apparently, they said they were gonna consider).

(that said, I'd be against changing the seats altogether, as the current setup obviously contributes to the 'free falling' aspect of the ride. Wouldn't be fair to ruin the coaster because of the minority, but surely going a little easier on the restraints would be possible, no? If it's actually affecting 2 people per ride, as has been said by that guy on facebook, then surely it's a fairly serious problem, or an issue that was overlooked by B&M and needs to be taken into account now).

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Re: PortAventura Discussion Thread

Postby coasterfreak101 » Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:01 am

chokeslamcena wrote:Surely if the seats didn't need to lock to a certain point, but instead just as far as they can on an individual, then the person is stuck in the seat anyway, regardless.


But the seats do have to lock to a certain point. Just because there aren't ratcheting bars that only have particular places at which they lock doesn't mean that there isn't a certain place that the restraints have to hit before the train can be sent out. The computer won't let a train leave the station until all the restraints are pushed down to a certain place, and that goes for any ride with pneumatic restraints. You can't just send a train on El Toro out because the lapbar is touching the rider, that doesn't guarantee that his body is safely in the train as designed. And I guarantee without the lapbar being in the right place you'd be out of there in a hot second.

Really, if someone can't ride a roller coaster because of their weight...either lose the weight, or realize that this is something you're going to have to deal with.
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