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Re: The Magic Springs & Crystal Falls Discussion Thread

Postby DirkFunk » Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:40 pm

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Vonni wrote:It almost seems pointless to continue operating the park. I hate to see park closures, but I also hate to see a park sit stagnant and not move forward. Someone should talk the Koch Family into buying Magic Springs lol!


New waterpark additions and a skycoaster results in stagnation? I think you're very confused on the subject. I'm no expert on Magic Springs because I've never been but it seems like it's the kind of park that doesn't really pull in a whole lot of excess money. Call me crazy. They're doing the best they can with the money they've got. Small regional parks don't have nearly the bankroll that large chains have.


A) I'm not a believer in Dan Koch: General Manager and probably won't be until I see actual results.

B) Looking at the history of Magic Springs, the place has barely ever made money and is currently owned by CNL, for whom the title "shitshow" could be a conservative description of their present state. I don't know what specifically they need to do to make big money, or even if there is that kind of demand for a major park there. My sense is that no such demand exists and they should be concentrating on being a really solid mid size park operating really solid rides, of which, I don't know if they have any outside the Skyloop. They seem like competitors/complementary at best to SDC, which leads me to think that festivals and live performing acts would probably be wiser investments than a hyper coaster or another 10 million sunk into the water park.

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Re: The Magic Springs & Crystal Falls Discussion Thread

Postby ElvisLuv » Tue Sep 08, 2015 7:03 am

DirkFunk wrote:
KBrylczyk wrote:
Vonni wrote:It almost seems pointless to continue operating the park. I hate to see park closures, but I also hate to see a park sit stagnant and not move forward. Someone should talk the Koch Family into buying Magic Springs lol!


New waterpark additions and a skycoaster results in stagnation? I think you're very confused on the subject. I'm no expert on Magic Springs because I've never been but it seems like it's the kind of park that doesn't really pull in a whole lot of excess money. Call me crazy. They're doing the best they can with the money they've got. Small regional parks don't have nearly the bankroll that large chains have.


A) I'm not a believer in Dan Koch: General Manager and probably won't be until I see actual results.

B) Looking at the history of Magic Springs, the place has barely ever made money and is currently owned by CNL, for whom the title "shitshow" could be a conservative description of their present state. I don't know what specifically they need to do to make big money, or even if there is that kind of demand for a major park there. My sense is that no such demand exists and they should be concentrating on being a really solid mid size park operating really solid rides, of which, I don't know if they have any outside the Skyloop. They seem like competitors/complementary at best to SDC, which leads me to think that festivals and live performing acts would probably be wiser investments than a hyper coaster or another 10 million sunk into the water park.


Magic Springs, really Hot Springs as a whole is not located adjacent to an interstate or connected to be an interstate quality road to an interstate even though the town has an interstate quality loop around it. That's drawback #1. Hot Springs has several quality lakes around it with loads of vacation rentals but you get a situation much like the Lake of the Ozarks region, where the lakes and boating are the major draw. Competeing with Ma Nature is Drawback #2. It'a a good hour away from Little Rock, meaning it's not right there. It's the main market for the draw to draw from but it isn't even in a suburban area. That's good and bad. Good in that it's not a babysitter during the week. Bad in that Sat is really the only day the place will get really busy and that effects operations from a staffing standpoint. It's hard to justify additional hires/staffing for just one day. So, that's Drawback 3. I already mentioned that it and Oaklawn miss each other for the most part. All that mean is that it will never be a major park, I don't think anyone is under the illusion that it could be anytime soon. It can be a solid regional park though in my opinion. It does have a solid for what it is summer concert series that targets all kinds of demographics. It's waterpark isn't bad and only a major addition away from being quite solid. The dryside needs love. It needs a better woody and mine train style coaster. This isn't the park for large scale B&Ms but some of of the smaller scale lsms and eurofighters. I think of all the great highly themed additions of smaller European parks and I think "what if" for this park. Take the the new kiddie area of Djurs, or the how Toverland has grown. It's got a great setting, quite a bit of room as well. It's in an area that really doesn't ever gets snowed in and should think about adding a lodge with a sizable indoor waterpark and market it as a winter weekend blues buster to the Dallas as well as Memphis markets plus that would tie into the Oaklawn season.

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Re: The Magic Springs & Crystal Falls Discussion Thread

Postby Whodey » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:06 pm

Headed here for the first time. I should be getting to the park Saturday around 2. Will I have enough time to get all the coaster credits? How are the crowds in the fall? Thanks.
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Re: The Magic Springs & Crystal Falls Discussion Thread

Postby DoinItForTheFame » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:14 pm

Whodey wrote:Headed here for the first time. I should be getting to the park Saturday around 2. Will I have enough time to get all the coaster credits? How are the crowds in the fall? Thanks.


You'll have plenty of time... as long as none of the rides break down. The maintenance team seems like they couldn't care less about getting the rides fixed in a timely manor.
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Re: The Magic Springs & Crystal Falls Discussion Thread

Postby Vonni » Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:39 pm

Does anyone plan on visiting the park this upcoming season? Maybe for a credit run?

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Re: The Magic Springs & Crystal Falls Discussion Thread

Postby DoinItForTheFame » Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:50 pm

Vonni wrote:Does anyone plan on visiting the park this upcoming season? Maybe for a credit run?


Personally not me! Been there, done that, got the credits... and I have no desire to ever return to that park. . . But that's just me.
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Re: The Magic Springs & Crystal Falls Discussion Thread

Postby Vonni » Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:00 pm

It will definitely be years until I return, but I need the Gauntlet and X Coaster credits. Although, I'm still not sure how to feel about X Coaster. It looks very intimidating.

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Re: The Magic Springs & Crystal Falls Discussion Thread

Postby ytterbiumanalyst » Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:59 pm

DoinItForTheFame wrote:
Vonni wrote:Does anyone plan on visiting the park this upcoming season? Maybe for a credit run?


Personally not me! Been there, done that, got the credits... and I have no desire to ever return to that park. . . But that's just me.

That's how I feel too, and I even missed the Arkansas Twister since it was down for maintenance on the day I went. It's not a good theme park. It is a very good waterpark, though, and worth it for a waterpark fan who's not too far away.

Vonni wrote:It will definitely be years until I return, but I need the Gauntlet and X Coaster credits. Although, I'm still not sure how to feel about X Coaster. It looks very intimidating.

X-Coaster is the best ride they have, by far. It's more intimidating to look at than it is to ride. The vertical lift actually isn't too bad, considering that you can look up at the track the whole time. There is AMAZING hangtime at the top of that lift and on the slow barrel roll. The rest of the ride feels a lot like a Vertical Velocity type. I loved it; if you haven't ridden one of those, do so. Gauntlet, on the other hand, is possibly in the running with Ninja (SFStL) for the worst full-size coaster I've ever ridden.
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Re: The Magic Springs & Crystal Falls Discussion Thread

Postby Vonni » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:40 pm

I'm not a huge fan of hang time.....

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Re: The Magic Springs & Crystal Falls Discussion Thread

Postby ytterbiumanalyst » Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:41 pm

Okay, in that case, don't go. Hang time is all X-Coaster is, and nothing else there is any good. Adventureland and Holiday World have good water parks too, and I believe about the same distance from you.
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