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P. 791: Big Bear Mountain family coaster announced for 2023!

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9 minutes ago, TEDodd said:

FCE is still packed most of the time. Longer waits than bigger coasters like WE, TT, and TH.
DF too. This will take some pressure off those and I expect a;l 3 will be very busy for years to come.


Unlike the big coasters, they have long term appeal.

I remember the lines in Nov 2012 after WE opened. I haven't seen anything close since 2013. That huge cue is virtually unused now, just like the one for TT and TH. 

I don't think the issue is "long term appeal", I think the issue is that every coaster in the park has surprisingly terrible capacity other than the three that you just mentioned (assuming Tornado has 2 trains running). Wild Eagle has short lines, but it also has the highest capacity of any coaster in the park by far.

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9 minutes ago, TEDodd said:

FCE is still packed most of the time. Longer waits than bigger coasters like WE, TT, and TH.
DF too. This will take some pressure off those and I expect a;l 3 will be very busy for years to come.

Low capacity has a lot to do with that, plus the great visual of a red train shooting backwards out of a burning building helps. But hey. We have jeeps on orange track in a field. 

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1 hour ago, TEDodd said:

FCE is still packed most of the time. Longer waits than bigger coasters like WE, TT, and TH.
DF too. This will take some pressure off those and I expect all 3 will be very busy for years to come.

The comments on FB seem to be overwhelmingly positive.
A few coaster fans like here and a few that want something indoor, but mostly people glad for rides they and/or their kids can/will ride.

Unlike the big coasters, they have long term appeal.
I remember the lines in Nov 2012 after WE opened. I haven't seen anything close since 2013. That huge cue is virtually unused now, just like the one for TT and TH. 

 

I'm hopeful they do more theming and décor than the renderings show.

The rest of the area cleared will be filled in over time. I kind of expect some surprises there next year.
2020-2022 really screwed with the plans.
 

Concept art almost always gets CUT more than ADDED TO. I think this is it. I mean, yeah, if they don’t cut the grass after it grows we will have some “infill” 

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1 hour ago, coasterbill said:

I don't think the issue is "long term appeal", I think the issue is that every coaster in the park has surprisingly terrible capacity other than the three that you just mentioned (assuming Tornado has 2 trains running). Wild Eagle has short lines, but it also has the highest capacity of any coaster in the park by far.

Could be partially capacity.  But at the same time I'd expect TH, TT, and WE to have longer lines than they typically do. Quite often they are walk on to less than 10 min.

 

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3 minutes ago, megan said:

Concept art almost always gets CUT more than ADDED TO. I think this is it. I mean, yeah, if they don’t cut the grass after it grows we will have some “infill” 

Well trees are out. They like to blow over or loose branches that damage rides. That was the impetus for cutting them back.

We don't have much showing the station area and the path from old WWG to the ride.
The B&W photo shows 3 buildings other than the station. Some new trees down near Till & Harvest. And thicker trees near the train tracks.
As the new WWG section grows they could add around BBM. I'm not sure how they will get past BBM. Not much room to the west before you hit the train tracks. Lots of room down by Till & Harvest and MM, but how to get there?

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From my 7 year old (target demographic) I show him the video. First comment “wow I can’t wait to see it go through the woods” then “I thought this was supposed to be a “MOUNTAIN” roller coaster, then “are there loops? Because if there are loopys I’m NEVER riding it” then finally at end “what’s the point of that? It never went in the woods. I thought it would be cooler” so, yeah… I’d say a break even at best. Not a home run for the target.

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Is this their version of big thunder mountain? If so you cannot skimp on a ride like that. 
 

Dollywoods biggest issue is the fact it wasnt circular until very recently. which is the whole point of wildwood grove. 
 

As someone who is familiar w thw smokies and appalachians wild wood grove is cool and makes perfect sense bc thats how the smokies and appalachians are. Heavily wooded mountain tops and valleys with natural clearings in the low lying plains. 
 

Park needs a showcase b&m hyper really since wild eagle didnt really move the needle. 

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I have had some time to think about why i not that impressed/thrilled about big bear mountain.  I think it is because the story is really good but the execution (so far from what we see as far as the layout thematic elements) doesn't seem to live up to the story.  I feel if the trains were a little more unique, other than a retrofit normal train, that could have helped. Now, a blue sky idea I have is  to cut the first half by some and have it launch into a cave leading into a building like verbolten.  Then have elements as if Big bear were stalking you and as soon as it is revealed, the track drops and you can have a small launch to meander back to the station.  That's just blue sky at this point but I'd be more partial to it than the current version.

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On 7/12/2022 at 8:35 PM, redfoot12 said:

Cool. I fit on TT a few weeks ago but it was tight. 

Success!

Just got off Lightning Rod !

No assistance needed!

Fun ride. Wish I could  have ridden it in its "heyday".

For any riders of "exceptional size" out there, stick with a plan. In March I was 332 and was  denied a ride on Pantheon. 42 pounds down later I'm the skinniest man alive.

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1 hour ago, jarmor said:

I have had some time to think about why i not that impressed/thrilled about big bear mountain.  I think it is because the story is really good but the execution (so far from what we see as far as the layout thematic elements) doesn't seem to live up to the story.  I feel if the trains were a little more unique, other than a retrofit normal train, that could have helped. Now, a blue sky idea I have is  to cut the first half by some and have it launch into a cave leading into a building like verbolten.  Then have elements as if Big bear were stalking you and as soon as it is revealed, the track drops and you can have a small launch to meander back to the station.  That's just blue sky at this point but I'd be more partial to it than the current version.

Ok-sorry LONG post!
 

That’s ALL I’ve been saying all along. They did a GREAT story of further developing the mythos of WIldwood Grove but manifested it with an exposed steel coaster. It didn’t have to be a “full mountain” but it seems like there were SO many ways this could’ve been plussed. Many thought this would be a motorbike coaster as Vekoma hinted at a new model that would “bring thrills to a wider range of riders”. Even that with NO additional elements would’ve set it apart. I’m not sure relying on “on board audio” is the best way to tell the story when there doesn’t seem to be anything to look at along the way. I love the idea of the cave. Even with no layout changes use the first acceleration launch as an old rail road tunnel to set up the idea that the bear is after you. The entry into the first launch was slower-like a leisurely drive into the woods to hunt for BB. You enter the tunnel with water dripping from the rocks, slow to a crawl, you hear the thundering footsteps as you see projection mapping giant shadows of bear paws race across the walls. Then a massive growl behind you and you shoot out. As you race through the “mini mountain” eyes glow from a cave where BB is hinted at again. As you renter the other side of the railroad tunnel- another growl as the lights of the unseen oncoming train blind you. You shoot out of the tunnel just in time to climb the big hill.  As you dive through the final tunnel, you hear another growl as you rage past giant fang shaped rocks. You NEVER see big bear. You never know if the legend is real or not. Is it the echoes of the old train rumbling through the mountain? Is it the light and shadows playing tricks on you? You just don’t know! Time to hop back on your motor bike for another chance to find out for sure! 

 

no expensive animatronic to maintain, no complicated excessive theming, just taking a great layout and giving each element of the ride a story beat in the narrative. At each of these points, Ned could come over the CB on our motor bike with a bit of backstory. 
 

dang! -as I type this out I get MORE annoyed with what they presented. 

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On 8/8/2022 at 11:23 AM, redfoot12 said:

Fun ride. Wish I could  have ridden it in its "heyday".

Having ridden it since the first public rides  (pure luck, but was there the day they had media doing interviews as people came off the ride. Had a nice chat with Pete Owens that day too) I really don't think it has changed in any significant way.

Sure the original zero car looked better, but that doesn't really change the ride.

The whole point of I-Box and Topper track are that they ride like wood with less maintenance, and I don't notice any differences in the two nor the re-tracked sections.
 

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22 hours ago, redfoot12 said:

Dolly's at the park today filming a holiday movie or special or something.

Would be cool to get a sighting.

Christmas movie for NBC. Includes something about a casino based on the casting call for extras.

Was there a parade last night? She usually is in that. And depending on schedule she'll pop in at the beginning/end of shows at random. Seems to favor Celebrity Theater though.


 

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On 8/9/2022 at 2:27 PM, TEDodd said:

Having ridden it since the first public rides  (pure luck, but was there the day they had media doing interviews as people came off the ride. Had a nice chat with Pete Owens that day too) I really don't think it has changed in any significant way.

Sure the original zero car looked better, but that doesn't really change the ride.

The whole point of I-Box and Topper track are that they ride like wood with less maintenance, and I don't notice any differences in the two nor the re-tracked sections.
 

After my first ride on LR (around 11am), I think it was down for a significant portion of the day. It did start running again and I got another ride in right before the park closed. Maybe it was seat location or the classic "it warmed up", but that second ride was epic and all talk about a "heyday" left my mind.

Btw, the park closed at 7 and I don't think there was a parade. My cousin, whom I had been there with that day, later sent me a story about the movie and Willie Nelson was also there. I'm not much of a country music fan, but that would have been legendary to catch a glimpse of both of them.

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