USCoaster Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I think they just changed stuff like the length of the drops, number of full height vs half height drops, etc. I don't think they can really change the acceleration rates with out upgrading the mechanical systems. (very unrealistic due to the massive size unless they can just change some parts to increase gear ratios or something) If it was just the drop sequences that make the WDW version better than the DCA version then its just a matter of time before the DCA version "gets better." I think that the elevator mechanics in all the towers will be the same so all that has to happen is Disney has to do is change the program to change to drop sequence. I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Tower 4 just 4(?) different drop sequences that the Tower cycles through (or chooses randomly) so that it is unlikely that you will have the same drop sequence twice in a visit? For those who know, is DCA's tower currently running the original MGM drop sequence, or did they choose a different one for opening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkTums Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I believe that DCA is running the Tower 3 program. It is definitely NOT the opening or even 2nd program from MGM's tower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hattuchili Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I have never ridden one of the towers! So, thats why I am looking forward to ride both this year, the Florida version and the California version! It is really interesting to read all this about it! Thanks for all the comment. I am really looking forward to ride TOT in a few weeks in Florida! --Sören Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthwnd Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 It seems like, to me anyway, that nobody really knows what is going on story-wise, design-wise with ToT in Paris??? The building's going up, to be sure, by all the current pix posted here and at www.DLP.info - but honestly? The whole "design" and Backstory of this one is remaining "La Mystere" (read: mystery) to me and I guess others here? What I do know and understand, is that 1) Twilight Zone backstory will not play as big a part here, due to numerous (so I have heard) guests' lack of knowledge of the TV show etc., and more importantly (IMhO)... 2) Guests at this resort will be from all over Europe and beyond. Meaning, 'signage' explanation isn't going to be as primary for this ToT. It's got to be more visual in the backstory, like Phantom Manor was/is supposed to be. Remember, Phantom Manor is (currently) the only Haunted Mansion in Disney parks that actually looks old and run down, yes? Anything new (incl.artists' drawings etc.) from anybody on this, I'd be greatly appreciative. (EDIT: URL was corrected for DLP.info) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hattuchili Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 ^ Good question, Bill! I am also curious what the story behind the Paris tower will be, and how it will looks like! You are right we are in Europe don´t know much about the story and show! I only know the things I have read on different sides! So, I am also looking forward to see and read more about the Paris project! --Sören Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimace Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I really want to see what the completed towers look like once all of the exterior is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smells_like_team_disney Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 The one thing that I don't understand is why all the cloning of DCA's ride system? I haven't really been reading too much about the different Towers, but it seems to me that the MGM version is superior in almost all aspects, from the show scenes and fifth-dimension room to the loading/unloading. Why would the WDC want to mass-produce something inferior to..... oh wait, never mind. DCA ride system aside, I'm definitely looking forward to both TDS and WDS. They look very promising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthwnd Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I think that the 'cloning' DCA's ride sytem is just not just a case of "dumbing down" the WDW experience... but also, it's a matter of occupied space that one of these attractions has to sit on. WDW, like I've said before myself, and like the Walt himself in orig.broadcasts, has the blessing of SPACE to put all of it's ideas into action. And that of course includes how much land such an attraction would need/require. I mean, look at Expedition:Everest. How many of the other Disney parks could something of this size possibly fit into? In other words, they had to take the original WDW/ToT design/concept and (literally) turn it around (just like DL's castle, heh heh), in DCA and TDS. And probably TDS in Paris. too. Or from what I can make out, so far. Unfortunately, that's what they have been stuck with, with the other three parks. Not as much space to 'load up the wienies' as they could with the original, lol. I am happy that they have at least tried to duplicate the ToT experience as best as they were able to, under their current situation(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimace Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 I think that if they had to sacrifice ground space they should have built up. I know that Florida has an arial law that parks can't build over 200 feet without putting a large beacon on the ride, which is why Dr. Doom and ToT are both 199 feet tall. I don't know about the restrictions in California, Paris, and Tokyo, but I think they should have made the other towers taller to try and make up for where they fall behind MGM's version. Does anyone know the heights of the other towers? Are they taller, shorter, or the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maliboomer Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 ^ The only thing that height would add to TOT would be unused space. I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Tower 4 just 4(?) different drop sequences that the Tower cycles through (or chooses randomly) so that it is unlikely that you will have the same drop sequence twice in a visit? From www.wdwmagic.com 'This time, Skees and Tschanz actually placed the attraction in control, as the complex computer system randomly chooses which ups and downs guests will experience. In addition, more special effects were added, making Tower of Terror one of the most advanced multi-sensory attractions anywhere in the world.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthwnd Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 ^ The sad truth to all of the above, is that WDW is going to get some awesome hugely E-Ticket attractions from time to time - whether they be like the original ToT or E:E. And the other parks will/might/not get a 'clone' of that WDW attraction in future years. Tokyo, China and Paris still have a lot of good-sized space they can come up with their own original E-type attractions. And you have to hand it to DL, for actually figuring out where to put one more good E-ticket into it's mix before the century ended, that being Indy. Honestly? I think now the Paris ToT is the one to watch out for. So much has been now revealed with TDS' ToT is practically unveiled by now, with most tarps coming off it. And still not much about TDS' except the tower IS up now, lol. I love mysteries.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollermonkey Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 ^TDR has room to expand? They are getting ready to build more parking garages just so they can plow under the parking lot for TDL, and TDS doesn't even have that option! There's a little room to the left of Indy, and maybe behind that wall to the right of Mediterranean Harbor, (I think that area is behind the scenes support facilities for both parks.) but that's about it until they reclaim more of Tokyo Wan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthwnd Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 ^TDR has room to expand? They are getting ready to build more parking garages just so they can plow under the parking lot for TDL, and TDS doesn't even have that option! There's a little room to the left of Indy, and maybe behind that wall to the right of Mediterranean Harbor, (I think that area is behind the scenes support facilities for both parks.) but that's about it until they reclaim more of Tokyo Wan! I stand corrected, there. So, that leaves Paris and China, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT3000 Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 ^ The sad truth to all of the above, is that WDW is going to get some awesome hugely E-Ticket attractions from time to time - whether they be like the original ToT or E:E. And the other parks will/might/not get a 'clone' of that WDW attraction in future years. Uhhm... How's that sad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthwnd Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Actually, it's not sad at all for anybody who can get to the WDW site and experience these amazing originals for themself. I stand corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DATman Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 ^^because sarcastic people like you will get to ride them, and people in CA, Paris, Tokyo, and Hong Kong won't, unless tey are willing to spend a lot of money on a trip for 1 or 2 major rides. Try to look at it from the perspective of someone not living in FL, and then it will make more sense that Disny clones are good things, when done right. Saying it would be bad for Disney to clone rides is almost like saying Exped Geforce shouldn't be cloned (which I think it should, as a lot of people can't get to where it is now). Disney has the Exped. Geforces of family rides, and I say they should be cloned because then more people will be able to experience the magic in them, instead of a select few in the vicinity of Florida, and the other tourists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT3000 Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 If I didn't live in FL, I'd pay to come here like 40 million people a year do. I wouldn't be whining or begging for Disney to clone all of WDW's rides elsewhere. (Even though that's basically what they've done) Fact of the matter is, WDW has more parks than an other resort and attracts more people than any other resort. Logic would tell us that it would and should have things that the other resorts don't have. Just like the other resorts have plenty of things WDW doesn't have, or they have better versions of what WDW has. Many people who've experienced all Disney has to offer would tell you we have the single worst MK park. If every resort were a cookie cutter clone of each other, why would anyone have any interest beyond the resort closest to them? Where would the originality and uniqueness be? And I really don't see how the topic veered off on this path anyway considering ToT, WDW's premier ride, is currently getting whored out to every park possible. What are these great E-tickets that were keeping to ourselves? Mission: Space? It's an overrated spin & puke. Everest? One of WDW's worse mountains. In fact, it's a glorified Matterhorn, which Disneyland has had for many years. Oh, let me guess... It's Stitch, right? Fact = WDW doesn't have nearly as many good, unique attractions as a 4 park resort should have, and it's not going to gain them overnight while other resorts drown in their lack of comparitive space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthwnd Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 ^ The main focus I thought of this thread was the variations of the designs of the towers in each ToT, in it's respective location. And how the 'storyline' was going to end up being, with TDS' and DisParis'. Hey it's a good challenge to the designers not to stay exactly with the orig.design, when they can't really, hmmm? Copy is sincere form of flattery; Original is always imitated, never duplicated; and then there's the Haunted Mansions..... It seems that the other three towers being built are not to be like WDW or each other, for that matter. And RnR in paris is not exact clone 'experience light show' as it's WDW original is. And some say that's better than original. So...? IMhO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxo Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Wow, these discussions are interesting, but I think we all know which tower is best... JK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DATman Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Fact = WDW doesn't have nearly as many good, unique attractions as a 4 park resort should have, and it's not going to gain them overnight while other resorts drown in their lack of comparitive space. Yeah, I mean AK is SO unoriginal...Epcot too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT3000 Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 Uhhm... I'm not sure I see the point of that post, if there was one. We were not talking about parks. We were talking about the attractions IN those parks. And AK barely has any. So what were you getting at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimace Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 I think EPCOT is a fantastic park, and MGM is pretty strong too. AK needs a few more additions to be great, and MK needs some cleaning up, but we're way off topic as it is so I'm just going to leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DATman Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 Uhhm... I'm not sure I see the point of that post, if there was one. We were not talking about parks. We were talking about the attractions IN those parks. And AK barely has any. So what were you getting at? I was pointing out the fact that every ride on both of those parks is original, with one exception, and none of them are getting whored out to other parks. So, 2 parks with completely original rides (except for Soarin), and you still think that that isn't enough. Every single ride at Disneyland (except for Indy) has been whored to other parks, or whored from other parks. But I don't see anyone complaining. Does the fact that there are 5 Space Mountains detract from the ride experience? Not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthwnd Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 I am going to be very happy, just to be able to (possibly) experience two of them, and neither of them will be the two US ToTs. My comparison will only be between Disney Sea and DisneyParis Studios' versions. And that's fine with me, for now. I'll get a bit of some of 'the original experience, 'mmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nrthwnd Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 BUMPing this up to the top for a spell, with new pix about TDS' ToT and all in another thread... post it here please!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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