chaos Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 That looks like the way it is going to be, but what is it going to do during those two long straight sections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musical Pete Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Well, some originals had dips.. Infact I'm sure the unique station arrangement and the long straight sections have been addressed by a quote of John Fetterman's posted earlier in this very topic.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCoasterny Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Here's what John Fetterman had to say over at the CoasterBuzz forums: There will actually be three lifts in this ride, an increase of one over the Bartlett design. The first lift gets the train from the station to the opposite end of the ride, where a second lift carries the train to its highest point for the beginning of the troughed portion of the ride. The third lift comes prior to the station. It affords an additional measure of safety to a system which will demand the use of three trains to maximize throughput. The tunnel-slash-540 degree helix comes between the first and second lift. It is not intended to provide the rush of a rocket coaster’s acceleration. It is intended to be a red herring for first-time riders who have heard about the unique aspects of the ride, but have not actually experienced them. Also, tunnels are generally fun! The “helix” is not the same as the helix present on the Euclid Beach ride. That helix was at the very end of the ride and part of the braking system. It was not particularly gentle on either passengers or rolling stock, and the braking approach it contained – a crowd brake encroaching from the upper side – was not employed again by Bartlett on his later designs. Braking on this Turns is accomplished by first bringing the track back up from its lowest point – slowing the train – and flaring out the radius of the final turn, allowing the car to creep downward from its highest banking around the curve, following with a straight section with funnel guides. At the far end of the funnel, the train has been “found” and “captured” by the guide track, and a set of sled brakes can do their job converting the energy of the cars into heat. From what John has explained, CoasterFanatic is pretty much right in his guess. The long straight section next to the Flyer is probably the brake run, while the 2nd long section running in the back of the ride is the 3rd lift hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tour2ma Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 EBP's final helix was awesome and its "crowd brake" wasn't that rough, especially considering that you hit it at the ride's top speed. True the cars bounced off of it a bit, but that just reinforced the impression of how out-of-control the ride was. EBP had one dip, at most 2' deep, right after its intitial turn coming off of the lift hill... its one and only lift hill. While I understand the safety considerations and the third lift hill is no biggie, it saddens me to see the middle one. The major reason the modern bobsleds fall short of the classic FT's is everytime you get up a good head of steam you hit a brake station. I at least hope the lifts are all as fast as EBP's which was amazingly quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezus Juice Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Wow! Great pictures! You know, Voyage is probably going to be great and Toro will probably blow us away but I am in awe of the craftsmanship on this ride. Sorry if I'm tooling it up too much but after looking at how they're layering the wood track I'm just shocked at all of the work that's going to go into this project. IMO they can take all the time they need and I'll be heading out there the minute they get done. Well, maybe a week after they get done...just in case! -Don "Totally into wood" Garrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob256 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 It was such a nice day today that I decided to be good to my camera and take it for a ride. We ended up at the Flying Turns project. I have posted more pictures of the progress. Knoebels is taking its time and doing it right. Some of the pix show the complexity of the layering of the trough. You can also see the wireless webcam system. I'll provide more pix as the progress warrants it. http://community.webshots.com/user/knoebelspix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okinawaboy11 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Would someone be nice enough to please explain the Figure 8 section? It just lookes so confusing. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlippyTrick09 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 ^ Uhh... It does a figure 8 Haha Ok how to explain this... I think it does 1 "half" turnthen into a 180 into another "half turn" and then one more 180 and continues doing "half" turns for the rest of the ride.... If you know what I mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okinawaboy11 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Ha, thanks...I think? lol I kinda get it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistedTrack Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 So many small little strips of board! That would take forever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCoasterny Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 I was just at the park Easter Sunday and took pictures.. I'll put them up as soon as I get them off my camera and resize the pictures. While walking around the park I ran into John Fetterman who was there with his family! I mentioned to him that the layout that was posted on the website and the actual footers don't match. He said that he hasn't seen the online version yet so he didn't have an answer for that. I asked if he was using the Ecluid Beach FT layout, and he said, no- they are using the Riverview FT blueprint. As for when the ride will open, it was a big question mark. It may be this year, it might be next year. I think it's best to expect this ride as a "new for 2007". I just checked the webcam which was down for the past few days and OMFG!! A huge bent is going up! I will try to post a TR tonight.. I just realized that the taxes are due in the mail today and I haven't printed them yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenpensacola Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 http://www.knoebels.com/flood.htm for photos. Sure hate to see this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mforce79 Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 I noticed much of New England was getting soaked this week, I was hoping not to see anything like this in a theme park. Is this something that happens often near Knoebels (the title makes it sound like it might happen frequently)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiCoastal Kid Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 I wonder how this is going to effect the flying turns? Like, do you think the treated it well to prevent warping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekRx Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 Wow, yeah, that looks like the same situation my parents are going thru right now too. I sure am glad I purchased a house on a hill/slope. Not too tough to navigate in the winters, and no flooding in the summers. I'd also suspect that poor Bushkill is also under water, as our rivers here have crested at 14 feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcoasters Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 I noticed much of New England was getting soaked this week, I was hoping not to see anything like this in a theme park. Is this something that happens often near Knoebels (the title makes it sound like it might happen frequently)? As said here : On June 22, 1972, the creeks that run through Knoebels overflowed six feet over their banks, swollen with heavy rains from Hurricane Agnes. The flood destroyed several cottages and damaged many other buildings, including the park's roller rink. I think the last major flood may have been in 1972, but I don't know how often they happen there. I guess it's pretty much the same concerning the flooding the park is in today ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmoofy Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 This flood we are having is WORSE in areas, such as Bloomsburg and lower, than the '72 flood. I would be surprised if Flying Turns contruction resumes within the next week. We have been hit pretty bad, and it's not over until tomorrow afternoon, which is when the river is supposed to crest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkdcoaster Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 I have looked and can not seem to find a picture of their flood log they have at the park with the different heights the flood waters got to and the dates. but yea it happens every couple of yearsor so, what a pain in the ass it must be to clean all that mess up. JEFF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCoasterny Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 I think there's a tree near the handstamp building that has the markers showing the flood heights. I think the one in 2002(?) was worse than the one in 1972 and 1976. The '72 flood had a big impact because it happened during the summer and they had to close the park to clean up. This flood would be reminiscent of the 1972 flood. The 1972 flood was what caused the haunted house to be born. I think the Flying Turns won't be affected because that section of the park is on higher ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragoncoaster1292 Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 OMFG! That is a LOT of flooding! How is this going to affect the park itself? Does this happen often? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCoasterny Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 Knoebels has posted an update on their site- They are planning to reopen parts of the park Friday June 30th in the afternoon, and hope to have the majority of the park open by Saturday July 1st. The pool will take a bit longer before it can reopen. According to the webcams for the Flying Turns Project, it seems nice and dry.. Check Knoebel's website ( www.knoebels.com ) for updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoasterFanatic Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 With the packed campgrounds over the holiday weekend and the way that the pricing is structured, you better believe that Knoebels is going to have everything they can open this weekend. If not, they are going to take a big money hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCoasterny Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 I was looking at the local newspaper of the flood photos, and they have a few from Knoebels: http://www.nifocus.com/phpAlbum/main.php?cmd=imageview&var1=Photos%2FFlood+Photos+June+2006%2FPark1.jpg&var2=1 The next one is even more sickening... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hercules Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Apparently a few rides, including Phoenix, will be open at 6 tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obeygiant Posted June 30, 2006 Share Posted June 30, 2006 Wow, I can't believe they have rides almost ready to run again. I saw some pics of the flooding at Screamscape and the park looks horrible.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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