hyyyper Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 then how do you get on the train if there aren't any ramps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DATman Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 I'm going to have to quash the dual loading rumor. There is only 1 set of footers running through the station, and, if it were to be dual-loading, the station would need to be over 80 ft. wide. Don't forget the wingspan on these trains:20 ft. If it were a dual station, that means 40 ft. of space for just the trains, plus another 40 for gates n' walking room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Posted January 28, 2006 Author Share Posted January 28, 2006 I talked about this to Alan Schilke a few years back at IAAPA. I believe my comment was "shouldn't you make the regular one work first". haha! The lift won't be inverted. Follow the footers at the bottom of the raven turn. They go in a perfect straight line down the lift hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollermonkey Posted January 28, 2006 Share Posted January 28, 2006 I'm going to have to quash the dual loading rumor. There is only 1 set of footers running through the station, and, if it were to be dual-loading, the station would need to be over 80 ft. wide. Don't forget the wingspan on these trains:20 ft. If it were a dual station, that means 40 ft. of space for just the trains, plus another 40 for gates n' walking room. ?!? You've never seen a 'stupid' station? The footers adjacent to the station don't look like there's two tracks coming out of or entering the station. That's why I'm not placing any bets. BUT it is wide enough for two tracks plus "operating room." When I say there don't need to be ramps, I mean the ramps don't need to be concrete monstrosities like those at 6FMM, they might be simple stairs bolted to the side of the platform. There doesn't have to be 40 feet of extra station room because over here they often don't let you into the station until they are about to put you on the train. So a lot of stations don't have row queues, air gates, separate load and unload sides, etc. You should see some of the 'stupid' stations over here! The hamster coaster station (also at Fuji-Q) is a great example of stupid! It's like 4 feet wide outside the safety rail, and you have to traverse it twice to put your stuff in the lockers then get back to the loading steps! That's narrow when it's full of people and they force you to squeeze past them to stay at your place in line! All-in-all I agree that it is possibly single loading, but with T-shaped supports, a single line of footers could easily support two tracks. The station is very wide for it's length, and from the distance involved in looking at the station, I won't guesstimate just how big it is numerically, in feet, but it is very big. None of us should state with any sense of authority what the arrangement is unless you work for S+S or there is visible physical proof of something. That's why I originally said "it LOOKS like it is big enough for a double loading station" instead of it "HAS a double loading station." If you're going to argue, I don't HAVE to post my pictures here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECZenith Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 That inversion looks like it's going to have a long straight "ramp" section leading into/out of it. Not a complaint by any means, just an observation. Thank you for the photos... they've officially convinced me and my girl to go on the 2007 Japan Trip, between that, Zaturn and Tokyo Disney Sea, there's just no way I'm NOT going to Japan ASAP. Thanks again bro, nice looking park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrowfanman Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Rollermonkey. Is it weird for me to say I love you for these updates. Thanks for the pics! Is that an inverted lift? -Jahan "No, you dont need a restraining order " Makanvand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockwave Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Great update Chris. Well this gets even more weird. I can't figure out what they're gonna do with the lift - one part of me does think it could be inverted just by the way the track seems to going dead straight at the top of that Raven Turn, but anything could happen at the moment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AznShortBoi8021 Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Excellent update! I think the lift is inverted. It seems obvious that unless the lifthill is very steep, there isn't much room for the drop. However, anything is possible at this stage. We just gotta wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gutterflower Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 This picture complements yours nicely rollermonkey Doesnt show much more appart from those lead up or lead off supports... the mystery deepens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECZenith Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Well, I'd imagine with all the concrete they've already poured we'll know soon enough. I'd bet the lift drops right into that raven turn. Sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockwave Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 ^ It would certainly make for a dramatic start to the free running bit of the ride! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AznShortBoi8021 Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 I just came up with a new explanation for the lifthill thingy. The lift hill isn't inverted, but at the top of the lift hill, there is a half heartline twist that spins the train into the inverted position. Just like on those Vekoma flyers. What you guys think about my theory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking86 Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 I just came up with a new explanation for the lifthill thingy. The lift hill isn't inverted, but at the top of the lift hill, there is a half heartline twist that spins the train into the inverted position. Just like on those Vekoma flyers. What you guys think about my theory? If you look at the track connectors on the support structure you will see that the track has to be inverted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollerdude Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 There is no doubt that the top of the inversion has to be inverted. I see the lift being inverted and just dropping straight into that inversion. AznShortBoi8021: They could have something like on the top of X. There could be a little dip and then the track rolls over, rises a little, and then drops into the inversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollermonkey Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 This picture complements yours nicely rollermonkey Doesnt show much more appart from those lead up or lead off supports... the mystery deepens Yeah, I wanted to get over to the other side by the construction gate, but when you're with folks from out of country... We got a ride on Fujiyama and an after dark Dodonpa shot instead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 I just came up with a new explanation for the lifthill thingy. The lift hill isn't inverted, but at the top of the lift hill, there is a half heartline twist that spins the train into the inverted position. Just like on those Vekoma flyers. What you guys think about my theory? Yup, I'm thinking the same, I think that would be cooler than a launch, anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBSpeed26 Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 ...but you're wrong. Look at the supports on the structure at the top of the raven turn. There are two track connectors on the underside of the upper supports, meaning that if that's the top of the lift, the track is inverted there and will stay inverted, instead of rolling inverted as it enters the raven turn. And allow me to be a design dork for a second... there's --no such thing-- as a "heartlined" roll when the train's seats are 20 ft apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 ^ the center of the track is what needs to be heartliend, but I thought people already knew this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking86 Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 ^ the center of the track is what needs to be heartliend, but I thought people already knew this. Its impossible to make a 4D coaster with proper heartlining because the trains are so wide. And you cant 'heartline' the center of the track because if you did that the track wouldnt be heartlined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverbullet Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 I don't know about you guys but I am thinking that this coaster is launched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DATman Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 ^while that'd be nice, I doubt it because after the fiasco X was (and is), S&S won't want to try new things with a problematic coaster. I'd think of this as more of an "updated prototype", as it isn't going to try anything new, but it is acting as the decision maker in the question of building more. It works more to fix X's problems than to create new ones. Still, I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phazan Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 ^ i really dont think x was a failure. just because it breaks down once and a while doesnt mean its bad. i think its mostly just sfmm's fault for x being down. havent you noticed at sfmm a lot of the coasters are ALWAYS closed? there never really is a day when everything is open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DATman Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 ^X's capacity was the main failure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phazan Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 ^how was the capacity a failure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DATman Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 ^It takes forever just to load a train, which usually makes the wait about an hour, at least, and half the time it's a 1 train op, which means moving about 3 feet in line every ten minutes. Also, it has been known to break down a LOT. Half the time, it can never even open with the park, and the last time I went, it opened at around 4 pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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