pj.frankophone Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 ^ DubaiDave, I found this video by clicking around on that site, but I thought I'd put it up as a direct link to it. Official Formula Rossa POV: http://www.ameinfo.com/247118.html Hmm. This is all the proof I needed that the video posted 2 weeks ago was indeed sped up. Looks to me like a few seconds of intense speed, then a fairly average, quite slow and boring coaster. Not that impressed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyuk200523 Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 Looking at it, it looks like this was early on in the testing process, the rest of the park doesn't look finished (look at the workman when on the brake run, the ground around him is still dirt) I get the feeling that it will be a lot faster than that on opening day, looking at the aerial footage from a previous video, it is going over those hills a lot faster than in that POV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midgetman82 Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 ^^Remember that it's flying around those turns roughly around 100mph. The coaster looks great, I don't care too much for the trims anymore because 1)it has a very fast acceleration, 2)it uses lap bars, 3) it doesn't just do one thing and come back. It isn't exactly what I thought it would be (super fast the whole ride), but it still looks like fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterlover420 Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 I don't think trims are a bad thing at all. Roller coasters shouldn't be about what's bigger, better, and faster. The experience is so much more exciting. In some cases, yes they are meant to slow a ride down, but there are coasters where they are part of the ride experience. Maverick, for example. In this case, I like to think of it as a race car slowing down because it's about to take a really sharp turn. I hear a lot of people complaining about the pov, and I really think people's judgment is misplaced. From what I can see from it, it is still going incredibly fast around the turns and over the hills. And honestly, the larger the hill, the longer it's going to take for a train to get over it, duh. It's not like because it takes so long, the negative g's will be diminished. It's just the nature of larger hills. The "vomit comet" is a perfect example. It is pure weightlessness, but it takes several minutes to achieve a single hill. People always complain that coasters don't have enough airtime, well here you go. This is what more airtime looks like. [Not to mention when there are people in the train, the trims will be a lot less effective, meaning a faster ride all around.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXman308 Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 Formula Rossa IS faster than what the POV showed. I gave the Pov about a 5 second head start ahead of the video showing it in the air and the areial video was AHEAD of it in the end. I bet it was only laucnhing 140 instead of 150. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyjack Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 A youtube version of the previously posted POV. I must admit it does look rather slow, it hardly makes it to the end! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrygator Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 Maybe I'm just ignorant, but can any of the "experts" that are able to gauge the speed let me know how you do it? I don't have a lot of experience measuring the speed of coasters traveling at such speeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G$ Kurt Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 I wouldn't say it hardly makes it through the end. It would seem that there is some nice floater air at the end even at that speed. It seems almost Millennium-ish... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midgetman82 Posted October 31, 2010 Share Posted October 31, 2010 I'm sure they're still tweaking the ride. Just like I305 and their later added-on trims, I think this ride might remove some. I can't physically tell if the ride has serious airtime or very heavy of forces just by looking at a fixed camera POV, but I know at least one or two hills on the ride probably has a good amount of airtime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubaidave Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 I can confirm that it is a lot faster than it seems in the pov. There is quite a bit of aiirtime over all the hills including the last two at the end. At no point does it feel slow when riding. Don't forget as well it comes extremely close to the ground in places so this make it seem even faster. This is one coaster that you can't really complain about unless you have ridden it. I realize that most people on here are experts and don't actually need to ride a coaster to pass judgment on it. It is the best coaster I have ever ridden. Dubaidave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterfreak101 Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 ^ DubaiDave, I found this video by clicking around on that site, but I thought I'd put it up as a direct link to it. Official Formula Rossa POV: http://www.ameinfo.com/247118.html Hmm. This is all the proof I needed that the video posted 2 weeks ago was indeed sped up. Looks to me like a few seconds of intense speed, then a fairly average, quite slow and boring coaster. Not that impressed Yeah, because this POV is exactly how the ride runs probably a month or more later and your judgement is completely, 100% correct. Oh lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Mad_Hatter Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Is it just me or does Formula Rossa just seem like an oversized version of "Senzafiato" in Italy? All things considered, the layout is overall exactly the same, ration and all, just with a couple extra air time hills at the end, and obviously, way larger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thom25 Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Thanks for sharing. The layout does look similar to the other coaster while I agree with pj that the POV does lead me to think too that the original launch video was sped up with the rest of the ride looking like the back half of MF, or average at best. Don't get me wrong, the ride looks like a lot of fun, but after reaching 149 MPH there is enough momentum to carry the train over a 450 foot hill, while FR only has a 170 foot hill, so the trims have to significantly reduce the speed of the trains. Using the video as a timer, the ride duration is 75 seconds, the track length is 6,561 feet long, so the average speed less than 70 MPH, which I find disapointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeemerBoy Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Maybe I'm just ignorant, but can any of the "experts" that are able to gauge the speed let me know how you do it? I don't have a lot of experience measuring the speed of coasters traveling at such speeds. What Larry said. And once again, a big thanks to Dave (who has actually ridden it) for his review and coverage of the coaster. In my opinion, from what I've seen, it looks like both Intamin and Ferrari accomplished EXACTLY what they set out to do with this ride. It seems like a pretty good representation of what it'd feel like to be behind the wheel of an F1 race car, with a fair amount of typical "coasterness" thrown in to pacify the GP. For those who'd still like to point out that you launch into trims, take a POV ride around an F1 circuit (racetrack). You just might notice some similarities in quick acceleration immediately into deceleration. If you're not familiar with F1 cars, here's some interesting tidbits from Wikipedia: Every F1 car on the grid is capable of going from 0 to 160 km/h (100 mph) and back to 0 in less than five seconds. The carbon brakes in combination with tyre technology and the cars aerodynamics produce truly remarkable braking forces. The deceleration force under braking is usually 4 g (39 m/s²), and can be as high as 5-6 g when braking from extreme speeds, for instance at the Gilles Villeneuve circuit or at Indianapolis. In 2007, Martin Brundle, a former Grand Prix driver, tested the Williams Toyota FW29 Formula 1 car, and stated that under heavy braking he felt like his lungs were hitting the inside of his ribcage, forcing him to exhale involuntarily. Similar to Formula Rossa's launch, no? Hell, if it were me, there'd be no hills on this thing at all. Scott "Of course, I'm still wrong though" B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 ^ DubaiDave, I found this video by clicking around on that site, but I thought I'd put it up as a direct link to it. Official Formula Rossa POV: http://www.ameinfo.com/247118.html Hmm. This is all the proof I needed that the video posted 2 weeks ago was indeed sped up. Looks to me like a few seconds of intense speed, then a fairly average, quite slow and boring coaster. Not that impressed Here's what I'm not impressed with - your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jray21 Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 (edited) I would never judge a ride by its POV. A video has too many variables that can affect a persons perception that you can never give an assessment of a ride from a video. For example, how wide the lens angle is, and where the focal point is, can greatly affect how 'fast' the coaster looks. Looking at the POV, it doesn't look like 240 km/h to me, but when I ride the ride it will be 240 km/h, and i'm sure it will seem like it! I can't wait to someday get out to Dubai, meet DubaiDave, and ride Formula Rossa! Edited November 1, 2010 by jray21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbalvey Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 I would never judge a ride by its POV. A video has too many variables that can affect perception that you can never give an assessment of a ride form a video. For example, how wide the lens angle is, and where the focal point is, can greatly affect how 'fast' the coaster looks. Looking at the POV, it doesn't look like 240km/h to me, but when I ride the ride it will be 240km/h, and it will seem like it! I can't wait to someday get out to Dubai, meet DubaiDave, and ride Formula Rossa! There are a lot of rides that I have personally shot a POV for and thought "That video doesn't do the ride justice at ALL." This is exactly one of the reasons why whenever we do a POV video for our RAW DVDs, we combine it (whenever possible) with front seat POV, back seat POV, rider cams, off-ride shots, etc. The front seat POVs can often be very misleading and a ride, for example, like Balder, looks very unimpressive from a POV, but watching the rider shots of everyone getting ejector airtime tells a very different story. --Robb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ernierocker Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 ^A perfect example of this is your Eagle Fortress POV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coasterfreak101 Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 ^^I'm glad you brought up Balder - I have no idea what's so great about it, but that's only because all I've ever seen is the POV. I trust that it's a million times better in person, just like Formula Rossa. People are silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Of Spades Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 To be honest, I'm easily pleased with coasters (hell, California Screamin' is my #1), so let me be one of the people that says that this should be totally awesome if only for the launch. I'd love to get to ride this some day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noxegon Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 I can't wait to someday get out to Dubai, meet DubaiDave, and ride Formula Rossa! With apologies for being the geography nazi, Dubai is one of seven emirates that make up the UAE; the other six are Abu Dhabi, Sharjah, Ajman, Umm al-Quwain, Ras al-Khaimah, and Fujarah. None of them are particularly large, but having said that you wouldn't travel to Nevada to visit a park in California would you? I was out there a few weeks ago, and tried to ride all the operational coasters. Right now the roster is as follows: - Abu Dhabi has Ferrari World, Hili Fun City, and a handful of shopping mall credits. I can't comment on those because the three full size ones were all down on my visit. - Dubai has quite a few credits, though the majority are utter crap. The only real worthwhile one is Spin Gear at Sega Republic, which is really good. The coaster at Stargate is so unspeakably bad that it's not even worth it for CreHos. There's a new ride under construction for the indoor Casper Theme Park which might be worthwhile; time will tell. - Ras al-Khaimah has Saqr Park, featuring a single powered dragon. - Sharjah has a handful of shopping mall coasters, the best of which is at Space City. For what it's worth, if you're in the area, it's well worth taking a short flight to Bahrain for the indoor coaster at Chakazoolu. That ride is truly insane; if I kept a top ten list it'd definitely be in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrygator Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 FYI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jray21 Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 I can't wait to someday get out to the UAE, meet DubaiDave, and ride Formula Rossa! Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXman308 Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Well the indoor coaster at Chakazoolu is made by PAX, so obviously its going to be insane. Have you seen Robb's video of Wild Train? (Which coincidently the pov of that doesn't look that good but the offride stuff shows how awesome it is) Edit: For some pictures of Jungle Storm http://www.rcdb.com/1929.htm?p=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrygator Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Well the indoor coaster at Chakazoolu is made by PAX, so obviously its going to be insane. Have you seen Robb's video of Wild Train? (Which coincidently the pov of that doesn't look that good but the offride stuff shows how awesome it is) Edit: For some pictures of Jungle Storm http://www.rcdb.com/1929.htm?p=0 I fairly certain that Noxegon has ridden more PAX coasters then 99.9% of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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