aceospades1250 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Those wheels look pretty big, I don't think they are gonna fit between the bolts on the track... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traincrossin Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Those wheels look pretty big, I don't think they are gonna fit between the bolts on the track... Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottBrown Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Those wheels look pretty big, I don't think they are gonna fit between the bolts on the track... Really? I know lets not start this again, the wheels will fit fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skycoastin Steve Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 ^^You never know, maybe it was a cleverly introduced bit of sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottBrown Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 God I hope so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netdvn Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Ehh...on weekends it will be crowded, and during spring break, but go on any weekday during the summer and max you'll wait is probably 20 minutes, similar to what the titan is like now in the summer. A lot of coaster enthusiasts are excited about this coaster, but to the general public, at least from who I've talked to, just think its a retracked version of the Texas Giant. Well... Technically it is a retracked version of the original Giant, just with steel track instead of wooden track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chadster Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 and a dramatic re-profiling minus the carpet, lift, and MCBR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkscrewFoley Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Is construction at a stand still that we're back on this again? Maybe they'll put in some loop-de-loops too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPmillenia94 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I thought it was decided a long time ago that this was a steel coaster, just with a wooden structure?If so, why are we complaining about Gerstlauer making the trains? Because these trains are still similar to those that ran on wood coasters in the past and Gerstlauer doesn't have a great record there. THEY ARE STEEL COASTER TRAINS... and they look freaking awesome. I prefer to wait and judge the cars on how they run and not how they look Um they have polyurethane wheels that are made for the track. They will feel just about the same as riding every other STEEL coaster in the world. The trains cant make the ride rough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceospades1250 Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 I thought it was decided a long time ago that this was a steel coaster, just with a wooden structure?If so, why are we complaining about Gerstlauer making the trains? Because these trains are still similar to those that ran on wood coasters in the past and Gerstlauer doesn't have a great record there. THEY ARE STEEL COASTER TRAINS... and they look freaking awesome. I prefer to wait and judge the cars on how they run and not how they look Um they have polyurethane wheels that are made for the track. They will feel just about the same as riding every other STEEL coaster in the world. The trains cant make the ride rough. And you know this from experience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texcoaster Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 ^^ Trains absolutely CAN make a ride rough. Track engineering and layout plays a big role, obviously, but an uncomfortable, poorly designed, or poorly maintained train can make for a rough trip too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Of Spades Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 ^^He's talking about experiences based on rides on other steel coasters...I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottBrown Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 ^^He's talking about experiences based on rides on other steel coasters...I think. yes well based on my experience on just about every Vekoma or Arrow Coaster Im not so confident . . . You can but the best wheels there are and run them on the best designed track there is and even then a crappy design for the wheel assembly can make the ride rough. We will just have to wait and see, I am personally hoping for a bit of roughness so it still has a wooden coaster like feeling to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJeXeL Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) Part of the issue with the trains is the wheel assembly design as well. Arrow and Vekoma wheels don't have constant contact with the track as you can see in the image below. The guide wheels have a good 1/4"-1/2" gap. Image Copyright http://www.thecoastercritic.com Whereas companies like B&M and Intamin have wheel assemblies that make sure upstop and guide wheels have constant contact with the track providing a much smoother ride. There's nothing wrong with a little roughness on a quality Arrow classic. In any case with Texas Giant we can only hope these trains track well but we will have to wait to ride until we start passing judgments. This ride is a first for both Gerstlauer and Rocky Mountain. Edited January 6, 2011 by DJeXeL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolliger&Mabillard Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 ^Viper=Good Arrow roughness Vortex=Not so much... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJeXeL Posted January 6, 2011 Share Posted January 6, 2011 "It's just like Viper @ MM.........." Oh how he ate his words. I can say I'm glad they will at least attempt to run 3 trains on TG which should make for manageable lines this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almightyfire Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 No matter HOW many trains run, STILL if the staff is horsing around and dragging, you still are going to have 2 trains in the station. A lot of coasters have 3 trains to start but they only end up running 2. You are supposed to HUSTLE and it is no excuse to NOT have a train unloaded and almost loading by the time the prior train gets to the TOP of the lift. I know it can be done because I worked at sf in the 70's and we did it with seat belts, bars AND belts on the bars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJeXeL Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Think it's safe to say Busch runs a tighter ship than Six Flags. But yea I do understand the frustration when you have a coaster with multiple trains and you constantly see trains stacking and backing up while the crew meanders through the loading process with no sense of urgency. That's why I like attractions like Matterhorn, Big Thunder Mountain, Space Mountain etc. cause the crew is forced to move their a$$ otherwise the ride will cascade/shut down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmaster562 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 This ride looks incredible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandonR Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 No matter HOW many trains run, STILL if the staff is horsing around and dragging, you still are going to have 2 trains in the station. A lot of coasters have 3 trains to start but they only end up running 2. You are supposed to HUSTLE and it is no excuse to NOT have a train unloaded and almost loading by the time the prior train gets to the TOP of the lift. I know it can be done because I worked at sf in the 70's and we did it with seat belts, bars AND belts on the bars. And you can honestly say your crew never ran a little behind or got delayed by guests and stacked a train or two? It's inevitable, regardless of how much you "hustle." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPmillenia94 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) Whereas companies like B&M and Intamin have wheel assemblies that make sure upstop and guide wheels have constant contact with the track providing a much smoother ride. There's nothing wrong with a little roughness on a quality Arrow classic. In any case with Texas Giant we can only hope these trains track well but we will have to wait to ride until we start passing judgments. This ride is a first for both Gerstlauer and Rocky Mountain. Actually b&m has wheel systems that constantly touch the track on their coaster, but the first B&M dive machines like oblivion only have about 98* drops not vertical because the upstops didn't constantly hold on the track.. And that bit of space has BARELY any effect on the smoothness of the ride and is not what makes arrows and vekomas rough, it has everything to do with their track shaping and their restraints. And that space exists on nearly every coaster in the world, wood or steel, except the dive machines. And for the last time: THE TRAINS WILL NOT AFFECT THE SMOOTHNESS OF THE RIDE, they will ride GREAT i can guarantee just by looking at the type of wheel systems they have. Plus there are no over shoulder restrains so any roughness in shaping will not most likely by felt. But it looks like its pretty well shaped, so overall THERE IS NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT when it comes to how well this will ride. Remember this is a STEEL coaster now. Not wooden. Edit: Oops i was mistaken. All B&Ms have this constant touching wheel system. Although older b&ms such as oblivion were built back when the wheel system wasn't AS tight on the track. Which they have been improving over the years. Edited January 9, 2011 by CPmillenia94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrygator Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) No matter HOW many trains run, STILL if the staff is horsing around and dragging, you still are going to have 2 trains in the station. A lot of coasters have 3 trains to start but they only end up running 2. You are supposed to HUSTLE and it is no excuse to NOT have a train unloaded and almost loading by the time the prior train gets to the TOP of the lift. I know it can be done because I worked at sf in the 70's and we did it with seat belts, bars AND belts on the bars. And you can honestly say your crew never ran a little behind or got delayed by guests and stacked a train or two? It's inevitable, regardless of how much you "hustle." It's pretty clear he means it shouldn't happen on a regular basis, which is commom on some coaster with non-hustlings ride ops. And for the last time: THE TRAINS WILL NOT AFFECT THE SMOOTHNESS OF THE RIDE, they will ride GREAT i can guarantee just by looking at the type of wheel systems they have. Cool, I'll send you my plane, car rental and hotel reciepts for reimbursement if it is not smooth! Edited January 10, 2011 by larrygator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfruge Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Okay, time once again for the new guy's point of view. I think we are making and passing judgement on this new ride too prematurely and with absolutely no reason. Take a step back and understand that the Texas Giant is truly the first of its kind. Comparing the Texas Giant to Arrow, Vekoma or B&M is errant and irrelevant. I also think that applying Gerstlauer's track record on older wooden coasters to this project is foolish, considering we're now talking about a steel roller coaster. Now, As to what I think is going on...The trains look to have a very large rolling stock, which I believe is good, as larger wheels tend to make smoother ride experiences. I would like to think that the side-fiction wheels would be in constant contact with the track, in regards to the aforementioned track bolting situation. In regards to alignment, I have always understood that until the support structure is completely adjusted, aligned and calibrated, the track cannot be. Again, I think we're making a mountain out of a mole hill on this issue, as no trains have been dispatched.There are some pretty hairy looking sections following the MCBR, particularly that turn under the lift hill and the "bunny-hop, airtime-inducing, bank/roll-switching, oh sh%&" camelback hills. I'm wondering if Titan's complete MCBR halt will bleed over, or can the magnetic brakes even do that? This coaster has always been a favorite of mine, both to look at and to ride. I get antsy just seeing pictures and thinking about the opening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texcoaster Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I'm wondering if Titan's complete MCBR halt will bleed over, or can the magnetic brakes even do that? No, but it would be unusual to see them put mag brakes on the MCBR without also installing a few regular clamp brakes as a backup in case the train needed to come to a full stop and be evacuated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chadster Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 ^ true that. Not having a system to completley halt the train at the MCBR would not allow for the needed block section. Without that, the train out and about would need to clear brake run block 1 before another train could crest the lift, decreasing ride capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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