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I'm a little worried about that track alignment. This would be the first modern steel coaster to need it; its one thing when working with many sheets of much-more-flexible wood (even the prefab stuff) but the curvature of the steel rails is pretty much, well, set in steel. Does anybody know (or know of a pic that can show) if the holes in the track used for bolting it to the supports were drilled in the shop or on site? Hopefully it didn't come to the point where they had to modify the track on-site in order to fit it to the old, slightly warped wood structure. I would expect the company who's produced the Intamin plug 'n' play track to have this down, but working with two separated steel rails is a new challenge that I hope they've accounted for.

 

On another note, is it 100% known that Intamin didn't have any part in this? The trackwork shows signs of an Intamin coaster and I'm a little skeptical that Rocky Mountain could do this all on their own given their relatively new status in the field. Even when Giovanola entered the design field, the track work was very drawn-out and conservative in terms of complexity, with a possible miscalculation accounting for how intense the helix finales ended up being (which necessitated the harsh mcbr in both mega coasters and the extra helix that can be seen in the background of some of these construction pics). This new Giant trackwork, however, seems pretty complex.

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Actually Gerstlauer has made trains for 10 different woodies however 4 of the 10 are not in operation currently. I personally haven't been on any of their wooden coaster trains so can't comment on what kind of experience they provide.

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Actually Gerstlauer has made trains for 10 different woodies however 4 of the 10 are not in operation currently. I personally haven't been on any of their wooden coaster trains so can't comment on what kind of experience they provide.

 

The current G-Trains don't have a great reputation on woodies. They look great, but for some reason, produce rougher and rougher rides as time goes on (Cheetah at Wild Adventures and The Boss at SFStL). After a SUBSTANTIAL re-tracking, Cheetah was running wonderfully this year, but the Boss...front seat ride or spinal tap - you decide.

 

These trains, however, are actually on steel, not wood, so I'd be more apt to make contrasts and such with their steel car designs. With allowances made for what Chadster said above ^^ beat me to it.

 

David

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I'm a little worried about that track alignment. This would be the first modern steel coaster to need it; its one thing when working with many sheets of much-more-flexible wood (even the prefab stuff) but the curvature of the steel rails is pretty much, well, set in steel. Does anybody know (or know of a pic that can show) if the holes in the track used for bolting it to the supports were drilled in the shop or on site? Hopefully it didn't come to the point where they had to modify the track on-site in order to fit it to the old, slightly warped wood structure. I would expect the company who's produced the Intamin plug 'n' play track to have this down, but working with two separated steel rails is a new challenge that I hope they've accounted for.

 

On another note, is it 100% known that Intamin didn't have any part in this? The trackwork shows signs of an Intamin coaster and I'm a little skeptical that Rocky Mountain could do this all on their own given their relatively new status in the field. Even when Giovanola entered the design field, the track work was very drawn-out and conservative in terms of complexity, with a possible miscalculation accounting for how intense the helix finales ended up being (which necessitated the harsh mcbr in both mega coasters and the extra helix that can be seen in the background of some of these construction pics). This new Giant trackwork, however, seems pretty complex.

 

 

It may have something to do with Stengel GmbH being involved with TGII, and fabrication differences between the B&M-like track that Giovanola had to manufacture, and the steel rails and ledgers that RMC had to manufacture. Its possible that Titan and Goliath have those qualities mentioned because Giovanola did not have the ability to manufacture more complex track pieces that I imagine may be much easier to manufacture if it is simply two separate rails and new steel ledgers. Advances in computer technology and design methods may have also enhanced the ability to design such pieces with greater accuracy. Look at Intimidator 305 vs Millennium Force. Intimidator has batshit insane twisty bits, and MF has much slower transitions. I305 also has much more efficient lift supports that MF's lattice structure which was billed as top-of-the line engineering in 2000.

 

READ: However, I am not incredibly familiar with the design and manufacture of roller coaster track, and I'm only saying what makes logical sense to me having such limited knowledge.

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If you are not turned-on by those OMFG over-banked turns on this glorious ride, then you are no enthusiast. This ride looks amazing. Makes me want to spend money to visit this park. I only wish Cedar Fair will do this for Mean Streak and Son of Beast.

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Actually Gerstlauer has made trains for 10 different woodies however 4 of the 10 are not in operation currently. I personally haven't been on any of their wooden coaster trains so can't comment on what kind of experience they provide.

 

They are awful rather than awe-ful. I was pretty shocked when I heard that SFOT went with G-trains for their $10mil guinea pig. You'd think that they would go with a company that has a proven crowd-pleasing record and Gerstlauer is not it. Holiday World's Legend ran G-trains initially, I believe, and it's popularity increased once they were replaced with PTCs.

Mega Zeph is the only coaster with G-trains that has ever sat in my top 10.

 

Having said that, this is not a wood coaster. Gerstlauer also makes steel coaster rolling stock and those seem to be just fine. We'll just have to wait and see.

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Harry Traver must be sitting up in heaven saying, "So THAT'S how to build my Crystal Beach Cyclone!"*

 

This one aught to be interesting to see what happens. Are we looking at that first "revolutionary" design of the new decade?

 

*That design is IMHO that much closer to reality with this style of track.

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Harry Traver must be sitting up in heaven saying, "So THAT'S how to build my Crystal Beach Cyclone!"*

 

This one aught to be interesting to see what happens. Are we looking at that first "revolutionary" design of the new decade?

 

*That design is IMHO that much closer to reality with this style of track.

 

I would absolutely love for the Cyclone to be rebuilt to modern standards. It's on the top of my list of "coasters I wish I could ride but were demolished before I was born". The Coney Island Tornado is another one.

 

Off topic.

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I'm not really concerned about the Gerstlauer trains, although they certainly don't make for the best experiences on woodies. I do like the design and colors, and I think the shields provide a theming aspect as well as a practical one.

 

If the NTG really does act a little like the wooden coaster it once was, that'll make it even better! I'm liking the comparisons to the Crystal Beach Cyclone.

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Mega Zeph is the only coaster with G-trains that has ever sat in my top 10.

 

Thank you for giving MZ credit. That ride rocked in '04 and '05, but it had a deservedly harsh reputation before that. SFI did retracking of the ride before the 2004 season started and--I think--removed the trick track along with smoothing out the double-up that caused a lot of knee jamming against the lapbars.

 

Oh well, Katrina happened.

 

I'm going to be hopefull about the Gerslauer rolling stock. They've produced good rides since they've stopped doing wooden trains, though not all have been quoted as smooth rides. We'll see, I guess. The ultimate test will be the trains' endurance over time.

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I thought it was decided a long time ago that this was a steel coaster, just with a wooden structure?

If so, why are we complaining about Gerstlauer making the trains?

Because these trains are still similar to those that ran on wood coasters in the past and Gerstlauer doesn't have a great record there.

 

 

THEY ARE STEEL COASTER TRAINS... and they look freaking awesome.

I prefer to wait and judge the cars on how they run and not how they look

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