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P.. 420: Pirates of Speelunker Cave announced for 2022!

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Didn't they say there was going to be a metal strip running over the top like it does on a wooden coaster?

 

No... Why would they put a metal strip on top of a metal track for a train with polyurethane wheels?

 

I'm a little curious as to why there are so many gaps in the track. Just fudge ups from the RMC guys or is it due to the wood structure shifting?

 

Well just imagine trying to design a ride on top of an existing ride's supports and then try to account for the thousands of variables and variations in every aspect of the ride. No ride is perfect. Like I've said over and over again, the tolerance stackups with roller coasters is pretty amazing when you consider how many things have to be accounted for in the dimensional variations.

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People, please just READ the posts! You are taking them out of context. Where on here did ANYONE say how they need to do the job? Nobody is saying that. These are progress reports to show what IS done, and what is NOT done. That is all, so stop accusing people of being know-it-alls when nobody is doing that. I did not post those pictures and say "oh wow look how dumb they are! The track isn't ready but they think it is but I know more than them! ". Go pick fights somewhere else. This thread has been very peaceful till now. Read things before you go throwing around your sarcasm.

 

Sorry, my post was in no way meant for your pictures. Unfortunately, since the re-design was started there have been a ton of know-it-alls. There has been a ton of 'experts' that were saying that there is no way the wheels would fit between the bolts, that it was a design error, etc. People also said the layout was wrong, the banked turn wouldn't be supported, etc. The problem is that people tended to state them as fact. Instead of saying, "Gee, what a neat design, those bolts on the top look different," they would say that the designed is flawed, that RMC screwed up, and how would they fix it. Robb even asked the RMC guys at IAAPA about it to quiet everyone up because they swore that RMC screwed up. Your pictures are great, and I love looking at them, but there are many people that are jumping to conclusions about the gaps, the supports, the bolts, the windows, the cars, etc.

 

As for the Texas Giant. I can't wait until it's open! They still have a ton of time to finish it, so any 'problems' that seem to be on the ride do not worry me at all. It looks like it will be an intense ride, and I will definitely try to head out there for a ride!

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Something tells me SF will spend as much time as needed to tweak the ride out before it's opened. Even with the track tweaks that will need to be done before they push, they should still end up with a considerable amount of time vs I305 for test and tune before the start of the season(as long as the weather hold up). If it's not ready by the first of March, so beit. I'd rather ride something thats done right, i.e. brakes adjusted, lift speed acurate, sensors reporting correctly, computer up to speed, etc, than something that's rushed into play. I suppose that's why they haven't made a big to do about any first rider auctions yet, when they know for certain, they will say.

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Like I've said over and over again, the tolerance stackups with roller coasters is pretty amazing when you consider how many things have to be accounted for in the dimensional variations.

 

English plz.

 

I explained this in an earlier post but who knows how many pages ago that was. Basically, nothing that is manufactured is perfect and has some amount of variation in the dimensions of the design. It's why parts have allowed tolerances next to dimensions, for example, this piece should be 3 feet plus or minus .25". Those are tolerances, and engineers have to account for the variation in each part when designing something that can be assembled.

 

Tolerance stackup is what happens when you start assembling a ton of those components together. So let's say for a steel roller coaster you have a footer, which has its own tolerances, and a support, that has its own tolerances, and another support (its own tolerances), and a track (more tolerances), etc. Well when you start adding up all these tolerances there's a bigger-than-0 likelihood that things can be "off." Typically it's the fault of tolerance stackups when you see either gaps or things being too big and not fitting. My whole point was that when you think about the size of a roller coaster and the number of components they're made of, it's kinda amazing these things can fit together in the first place without even more problems.

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^^To make it even more simple, think about it like this: If each piece of track was just 1mm too short, and there's 1000 pieces of track, you'd end up with a 1 meter gap. It costs considerable amounts more to manufacture a part with extremely small tolerance (a.k.a. an extremely small margin of error) so there tends to be things like gaps which can be fixed very easy and for less money.

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^Exactly. It's easier to just make 1 meter more of track than it is to toil over millimeters during manufacture. If you look at Goliath at SFMM there is a piece of track right before the brake run that's probably not any longer than a meter in length, and I kind of doubt it was designed that way. Although I doubt a coaster would have 1000 pieces of track spanning its length. Maybe more like 200 or 300.

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Something tells me SF will spend as much time as needed to tweak the ride out before it's opened. Even with the track tweaks that will need to be done before they push, they should still end up with a considerable amount of time vs I305 for test and tune before the start of the season(as long as the weather hold up). If it's not ready by the first of March, so beit. I'd rather ride something thats done right, i.e. brakes adjusted, lift speed acurate, sensors reporting correctly, computer up to speed, etc, than something that's rushed into play. I suppose that's why they haven't made a big to do about any first rider auctions yet, when they know for certain, they will say.

 

 

They gave away a seat on the first ride on the facebook page. I didnt win crap!

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This thread is like a Discovery Channel documentary. "Oh no there is a tiny gap in the track its gonna destroy everything, they might as well just take it apart and go home"...

 

That is fascinating! Who said that in this thread?

 

I still think people are acting like other people are making mountains of mole hills when they really aren't. I think the biggest exaggerations in this thread right now are people saying that people are picking things apart, and saying RMC doesn't know what they are doing. Nobody has said that. People are just reacting to the things they haven't ever seen in a project before. Like it's been stated, we don't normally get to see projects so close and with such scrutiny so a lot of these things we just haven't seen before. People are allowed to be surprised and confused, and by doing so they certainly aren't saying they know more than anyone, or saying the project will fail.

 

BTW, sorry for taking certain things personally earlier. After my batch of photos it seemed directed at me. Thanks for you guys who spoke up for me though! Honestly I'm just thrilled to be able to help keep people up to speed! I've always lived far away from the excitement and now that it's nearby, I gotta have people to appreciate it, and share it with!

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Okay, I realize that I'm the new guy here...but I've been keeping up with the thread and finally decided to register.

 

I greatly appreciate Zingoman's point of view on these "construction issues" that the Texas Giant is supposedly having. Cynical as it may sound, a coaster is not complete, in my opinion, until the first train of riders returns safely to the loading station. It is so easy to compare the Texas Giant to other roller coasters, but I think we (and I include myself) tend to forget that the new Texas Giant is unlike any other coaster in creation, and I believe it in all of our best interests to remember that fact.

 

Now, I hope I don't commit forum suicide, but because this particular thread is being followed by external sources, it would also be in the interest of all parties involved to really examine the things we post, as they are being broadcast to many people.

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Now, I hope I don't commit forum suicide, but because this particular thread is being followed by external sources, it would also be in the interest of all parties involved to really examine the things we post, as they are being broadcast to many people.

 

Point taken, but also realize that if there are folks in here thinking things like "holy crap, those supports aren't enough to hold that thing up, are they?" then there are also folks in the GP who visit the park, see the thing, and think the same thing.

 

Actually, listening to the GP at the park on turkey weekend, they are thinking things that are far more stupid than what's said in here.

 

So I don't think that the external sources are going to be all that surprised to see discussion, speculation, debate, and fortune-telling in a thread like this.

I also think that if they're smart enough to know what they're doing when building something as complex as a coaster like TG, they're also smart enough to read something in a fan forum and consider the source before getting upset.

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From all of the photos that I have seen, it looks like the new Texas Giant, will have 90 degree banked turns, or am I wrong. Don't the turns look a lot steeper like 90 degrees? The drop looks sick. This ride looks like it will kick some serious A$$.

 

Yeah, they put the actual stats on facebook the other day. First one is 103, second 105, third 114.

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From all of the photos that I have seen, it looks like the new Texas Giant, will have 90 degree banked turns, or am I wrong. Don't the turns look a lot steeper like 90 degrees? The drop looks sick. This ride looks like it will kick some serious A$$.

 

Yeah, they put the actual stats on facebook the other day. First one is 103, second 105, third 114.

 

WHHATTT? Really? Banked turns of up to 114 degrees? 114 degree banked turn? That is much more then just flat on you're side. A turn like that puts Voyage and Hades to shame, and all other Gravity Group and GCI Coasters turns.

 

But I can't ever put those coaster down. Gravity Group and GCI make some of the best wooden coasters in the world.

 

My favorite wooden coaster companys

 

- Custom Coasters

- Great Coasters

- Intamin

- Gravity Group

 

Those wooden coasters rock my world.

 

But seriously, a banked turn of 114 degrees? You sure about that? I only heard that it was going to be a 95 degree banked turn.

 

I know for sure the drop is 79 degrees and they are incresing the lift hill by 10 feet, and of course, it's steel. LOL.

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Saw the Texas Giant in person for the first time today...pretty impressive sight. My Cibolo Knights also took down Denton Guyer at Jerry World today! Great day

 

 

Ah you were there! Pretty epic game huh? Congrats by the way y'all were epic. Still love Denton Guyer though But back on the topic of TG, does anyone have any ideas as to what the multiple cranes were doing?

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I'd imagine that the workers are working on calibrating and aligning the track. I think it's absolutely mystifying that the rails have all been installed separately from one another...left and right sides, I mean. So the last turn is 114...Incredible! This ride gets more and more attractive.

I'm renewing my season pass for Christmas!

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