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p. 416 - Fire and Ice Festival announced!

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^I'd expect no more slamming than any other steel coaster with airtime.

It should be considerably less painful than coasters with OTSRs and airtime!

 

My concern is the overbanked turn supports. There will be a lot of outward forces generated by a train going fast around those turns and (as of yet) not much lateral support at all.

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"unfortunately"   Seriously. . WTF is wrong with you ??

Nitro’s description says that too. Six Flags is just dumb.

They aren't changing anything.  Same goes for Fiesta Texas. https://www.sixflags.com/overtexas/plan-your-visit/safety-protocols  

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Here's the pictures. Sorry it took so long. Look at the second picture. I can't see any evidence of a helix going over the track. It looks like just about all of that structure was removed. Also, there's a 3rd >90 degree banked turn. Right after the first 95 degree turn. Also, I took an older picture of the Texas Giant and juxtaposed it onto the new picture. Aside from the hill, which is taller, the rest of the ride is significantly shorter than the original. I will upload that picture later.

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You can see they used the structure of the old helix as evidenced by the very long ledgers. One of them seems like it is at an odd angle.

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I can't imagine any other way that these would connect. It looks like it dive turns under the structure right by the chain house and connects back up into the magic carpet section.

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The more I see of this layout, the more I fear that it's going to run a couple test trains with accelerometer dummies and then be either heavily braked or have to be reprofiled extensively before opening.

 

Can they REALLY get away with that level of extremism?

 

If this thing opens as-is, you better believe that I will be there on opening day as close to the front of the line as possible so I can say, "YES, I got to ride it before they screwed it up and DAMN, what a ride!"

 

(eternally grateful for doing that with Rattler)

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^Rattler still suffered from the long, slow, boring helix on the cliff (although it wasn't NEARLY as slow back then)... but the first drop was quite simply the most incredibly insane, breath-stopping moment of any wooden coaster I've ever been on. You crested the lift, and started the plunge. Right in front of you was the helix and your mind assumed that you'd be going there. The train angled itself right at the edge of the cliff and at the time you realized that you wouldn't be going into the helix, you also realized OMG! CLIFF! - and then it angled again slightly to run parallel to the cliff and got steeper, causing a second brief moment of airtime halfway down the drop... which you couldn't see the bottom of because there was a shed over it to shield it from falling stones.

 

The on-ride camera snapped the pic right at the pullout of the drop. Very, VERY few people still had their hands up by the time they got to that point. Most were clutching the bar, head down, looking at the floor.

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It's been confirmed that the new Texas Giant will be receiving the flame cannons from Bizarro at Six Flags New England as mentioned in a Q&A session during Super Hero Celebration.

Q. Why was the Flame Cannons removed from Bizarro?

A. We Felt they were not necessary and they will be used at SFOT on the Texas Giant to save money.

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If in fact the second helix is removed, this thing is going to have amazing speed going into the magic carpet section of the ride. I am hoping for some extreme ejector air on most of the little hills that are in this portion. If they do in fact enclose it, it will be insane!

 

I'm gonna be there next year! Whoot!

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From the latest pics, I CANT make heads or tails of what is going to happen with this thing. It. so far, looks incredibly short. It looks like half of the ride was removed. This was my favorite coaster of all time.

 

Since when was a double helix "half" the ride anyway? Talk about hyperboles... Oh boo hoo, they removed the slowest and most boring part of the ride while simultaneously boosting the thrill on every other part. I really don't get some of these glass-half-empty comments... If you have any doubts whatsoever that this ride will not be heads-and-tails better over the old, ridiculously rough and unpleasant Giant, you need a psychiatric exam stat.

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^ I don't think anyone is going to doubt that the new Giant is much better than the "old, ridiculously rough, and unpleasant Giant" ---- but what I think some of us are wondering is will it be better than the Giant of the early 90s when it was still untamed, intense, re-ridable, and at the top of nearly everyone's list?

 

Sadly, far too much time has past between the last really good Giant rides and the opening of the new version to get a good comparison. Time also has a tendency to inflate folks' recollections of how good something used to be.

 

I do know this, though: the Giant of 1990 would still by my #1 coaster today, even after adding more than 300 coasters to my list since then. If the new version takes my #1 slot, then that's enough of an indicator for me that it's as good or better than the old one.

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Droce by the park yesterday, and they finally tracked the first turn (the one after the drop and double up)! It looked looks like you will be hanging on your side there for a bit before the second drop. Fun stuff!

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I am bummed this ride is not complete already... We just won a trip to Dallas Texas from Southwest Airlines (to go to their halloween HQ!) and will be in town a few days. We are stopping by SFOT, but sadly, there really are no rides that look all that exciting at this park besides Titan. Oh well. Hopefully the park is better then I expect! We got SFOG passes so it will be free for us to stop in, so thats good. This ride looks incredible. Wish it was ready

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The one thing I'm not too sure about at all is the stability of the ride itself. It seems like adding all this extra weight of the track, plus the force of having the trains running on it, would put a lot of stress on the wood supports. We all know that wood isn't unbreakable, and looking at SoB, it can always break at the worst possible time. Its not that I'm thinking that the track will drop if something does break, as the steel I-beams likely wouldn't flex as much as a wood track, but if it does happen, it can't be a good thing. It's just that there's a lot of weight being added to the structure, and the force of the trains will just add to the wear and tear of the ride's structure - especially in the overbanked turns, since it doesn't seem like they've added a lot of lateral support where there's going to the a hell of a lot of lateral force being generated.

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I am bummed this ride is not complete already... We just won a trip to Dallas Texas from Southwest Airlines (to go to their halloween HQ!) and will be in town a few days. We are stopping by SFOT, but sadly, there really are no rides that look all that exciting at this park besides Titan. Oh well. Hopefully the park is better then I expect! We got SFOG passes so it will be free for us to stop in, so thats good. This ride looks incredible. Wish it was ready

 

Do not be fooled by Mr. Freeze and Shockwave! Both are great coasters and there are some other nice sleepers such as Runaway and Bobsled. I look forward to seeing your pics though!

 

Also looking forward to any more progress pics from Texas Giant...this entire project looks insane. Can't wait to ride it!

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The one thing I'm not too sure about at all is the stability of the ride itself. It seems like adding all this extra weight of the track, plus the force of having the trains running on it, would put a lot of stress on the wood supports. We all know that wood isn't unbreakable, and looking at SoB, it can always break at the worst possible time. Its not that I'm thinking that the track will drop if something does break, as the steel I-beams likely wouldn't flex as much as a wood track, but if it does happen, it can't be a good thing. It's just that there's a lot of weight being added to the structure, and the force of the trains will just add to the wear and tear of the ride's structure - especially in the overbanked turns, since it doesn't seem like they've added a lot of lateral support where there's going to the a hell of a lot of lateral force being generated.

 

The track is about the same weight as the track it replaced. The forces will surely be different, but I'm sure they already thought about that when engineering the ride.

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^ Also, a lot of the structure is shorter than before, which reduces the overall weight supported by the lower level supports.

Gotta agree about the overbanked turns, though. Hard to believe that the final version of the support structure will look anything like it does now.

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It's been confirmed that the new Texas Giant will be receiving the flame cannons from Bizarro at Six Flags New England as mentioned in a Q&A session during Super Hero Celebration.
Q. Why was the Flame Cannons removed from Bizarro?

A. We Felt they were not necessary and they will be used at SFOT on the Texas Giant to save money.

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Flame cannons on a wooden coaster. What an excellent idea.

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Flame cannons on a wooden coaster. What an excellent idea.

First off, it's a steel coaster, secondly, I agree! It's actually been working quite well on Terminator for the last couple of years...

 

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While the ride experience seems to be somewhat of a tricky subject (intimidator 305, maverick's heartline roll), structural integrity is a well defined science. They usually build structures to theoretically handle at least three times all expected forces, so I wouldn't worry about the stability of a professionally built structure.

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Neither. Tell me which of the major coasters at SFoT have a themed ride experience? The ONLY ones that come to mind are Runaway Mountain and the Runaway Mine Train. I'm talking about actual ride experience, not queue line experience. Mr. Freeze? No. Batman? No. The Titan? No. Shockwave? No. Flashback? No. THBS? No.

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