Jaykethekid Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Des anyone know how long batman backwards will last or is it already over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webgoof Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Des anyone know how long batman backwards will last or is it already over? As of Sunday, it was still running backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmsy Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Des anyone know how long batman backwards will last or is it already over? I believe that it will be running backwards through its closure for Holiday in the Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaykethekid Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Oh shoot I forgot about holiday in the park. When does that start because I hope I can ride batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigboy Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Holiday in the Park starts on November 28 and the Gotham area rides usually close at the end of Fright Fest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeykaise Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Just in case anyone hadn't read this yet, here's another update of the lawsuit between Six Flags and Gerstlauer. LINK I read that earlier and if what Gerstlauer saying is true about the seatbelt anchors being pre-installed with the ride and SF chose to not install the actual belts and buckles that makes SF look pretty bad for not installing them in the first place and then right after the accident when the ride was shut down they go ahead and install them. They must have edited the article, because now there is no mention of pre-installed seatbelt anchors... >_> I read the article wrong and misunderstood, apparently the seat-belt anchors were built into the train cars not pre-installed, sorry about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaykethekid Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Holiday in the Park starts on November 28 and the Gotham area rides usually close at the end of Fright Fest. Aww no mr freeze, dang. Does anything else close with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GwaziBSRider1 Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 ^ Batman closes, too. If it gets cold while you're there, other rides will start to close as well. When I visited last year, Pandemonium was closed most of the weekend and Titan was up-and-down because of the cold. I don't think NTaG closed because of temperature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaykethekid Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I can't imagin texas getting any colder than 50 degrees on an early December day. How cold was it. Sorry for my five bajillion questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambe_bambe Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I can't imagin texas getting any colder than 50 degrees on an early December day. How cold was it. Sorry for my five bajillion questions. It gets below freezing in Dallas and it snowed on like December 6th last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcxs Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Just in case anyone hadn't read this yet, here's another update of the lawsuit between Six Flags and Gerstlauer. LINK I read that earlier and if what Gerstlauer saying is true about the seatbelt anchors being pre-installed with the ride and SF chose to not install the actual belts and buckles that makes SF look pretty bad for not installing them in the first place and then right after the accident when the ride was shut down they go ahead and install them. They must have edited the article, because now there is no mention of pre-installed seatbelt anchors... >_> I read the article wrong and misunderstood, apparently the seat-belt anchors were built into the train cars not pre-installed, sorry about that. Wait, so there was an actual mechanical malfunction that just opened the lap bar? I just assumed this was some stupid employee/rider mistake like most of these incidents. Thats kinda scary then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeykaise Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 No, it was a death caused by the lap bar not in the correct position and the ride op not stopping the ride to adjust it. Gerts is saying they are innocent because it was a ride operations error and that they actually made seat belt anchors into the cars but Six Flags chose not to finish installing seat belts until after the accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texascoaster89 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 It was a terrible thing to happen. Frankly, I believe it to be Six Flag's fault here. I really enjoyed the ride without the seat belts. But having them really didn't affect any airtime or anything of that nature. So if they should have been on, then they should have been installed before cleared to open initially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasParkman Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 OK- well. Sometimes "legally" there is more than one person at fault. The lapbar did indeed return to the station in an unlocked position. The train was stopped on the trim by the computer (emergency stop) because it sensed an "issue" had occurred. If SF can prove that the lapbar malfunctioned in ANY way- Gerts will be at fault. The question is can you prove - without doubt -that the rider was killed by the lapbar not being down far enough or did the lapbar malfunction cause her death? It is splitting hairs but that is what legal battles are all about. Ultimately both SF and Gerts (their insurance companies) will pay. They just have to attempt to deflect any expense they can prior to finally giving up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcxs Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Is there any other recorded case where the lapbar actually failed on a major coaster? Like in this instance. All other accidents I have seen its always ride-op fail or passenger doing something incorrectly/overweight(guess its still ride ops fault then). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GwaziBSRider1 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 ^ The Boomerang at La Ronde had its restraints open a few years ago. SOURCE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chadster Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 OK- well. Sometimes "legally" there is more than one person at fault. The lapbar did indeed return to the station in an unlocked position. The train was stopped on the trim by the computer (emergency stop) because it sensed an "issue" had occurred. If SF can prove that the lapbar malfunctioned in ANY way- Gerts will be at fault. The question is can you prove - without doubt -that the rider was killed by the lapbar not being down far enough or did the lapbar malfunction cause her death? It is splitting hairs but that is what legal battles are all about. Ultimately both SF and Gerts (their insurance companies) will pay. They just have to attempt to deflect any expense they can prior to finally giving up. I'm afraid your story is not exactly correct. The train did not stop on the Midcourse and no e-stop button was pressed while the train was on course. The ride does not have the ability to sense any lapbar issues beyond the ride station. The lapbar was in a locked position as indicated by the seat sensor on dispatch and was in the same, if not slightly lower, position when it returned. All of these details are laid out in the lawsuit and discovery information including depositions which most has been made public in the lawsuit filings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texascoaster89 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Here's the deal. I know because I have many resources at the park because I grew up here. This is going to fall on Six Flags shoulders. Unless their lawyers are incredible. The hydraulic device that keeps the restraint system in place did not fail, even if it did, it has 2 back up systems to keep it in place. The odds of that are very extreme obviously. The ride ops were actually told to try and pin large size riders in because of the sue happy society of fat people feeling shammed at theme parks. The woman literally slipped out like a bar of soap because of her massive girth against the restraint and designed air time hills. The restraint returned to the station STILL locked in it's place because it never malfunctioned, this was proven. It's unfortunate what happened, but it's going to fall to Six Flags for falling to public and social media pressure. Ever since the accident, I've ridden the ride many times and felt perfectly safe before and after the accident. I've also seen a ZERO tolerance policy on if you're too fat to ride, you're not riding. So all the clues are there to exactly what happened for the public to see if you're not in the know. Their just now allowed to openly speak publicly and say "She was too big to ride." Because why? You'll hear cries and screams of discrimination and an interview of someone drinking their 6th Coke of the day from a Mega Gulp on why they think it's discrimination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackseatBoss Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Has anyone been to SFOT for Fright Fest recently? I went last Saturday and was a little disappointed afterwards. My home park is SFGAM, so I guess I was expecting more and better free scare zones? There were only a couple free scare zones, but each only had 2 or 3 actors it seemed. I didn't do anything extra because I didn't want to pay...but I just want to get the opinions of others here. I love the park and all, but it just wasn't as big as I was expecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disneyfreak1986 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 ^ I went back on the first Friday of October with my family. I wasn't all that impressed with Fright Fest this year. I felt like they skimped out on decorations this year and concentrated on the haunted houses of which I didn't do because (1) I don't do well in haunted houses & (2) I didn't want to pay for them either. The shows were okay as well just because they are the same ones they have had for years. It's certainly about time for them to update all of the shows for Fright Fest and Holiday in the Park. Hopefully, we'll see some upgrades to Fright Fest in the future. For now, I'm perfectly okay with not going again and waiting until Holiday in the Park starts on Nov. 28th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasParkman Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 "The train did not stop on the Midcourse and no e-stop button was pressed while the train was on course. The ride does not have the ability to sense any lapbar issues beyond the ride station. " I did not say it stopped mid-course. I said it stopped on the TRIM- at the station- because the computer realized that "something" had happened. I have had Park personnel tell me this. The lapbar had moved- which is not possible if the mechanism worked correctly. I will bet anyone that BOTH SF and Gerts insurance companies wind up paying for this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottm13 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 (edited) . Edited December 13, 2014 by scottm13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasParkman Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 OK- don't insult me... its not a dippin dots guy...It is considerably more than that. I have worked at a park - in maintenance- ride maintenance- and I do know a few things. Do you believe for one minute that anybody at SF would tell you- at the cost of their job- that SF was totally at fault? Really. Come back to reality. If you want to argue a point with me -fine- don't insult me- it only makes you look ridiculous. The information you state I will take at face value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastercrazy216 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 He isn't insulting you, just correcting your incorrect information. To be honest, both of them are going to pay. The lap bar never mechanically failed and the ride operated as designed. It was just an unfortunate combination of factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasParkman Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 I get it- the "dippin dots guy" comment was a little insulting. I agree with you- like I said from the beginning- Both Gerts and SF will pay. I have experience with this. My Dad was Director of maintenance at SFSTL. We had a "Skyway" accident in the late 70's. A Car fell from the cable killing 3 and injuring 1. Bad- Nasty- Horrible memories. SF Mechanics had modified the parts on the ride - no approval from Von Roll. SF and Von Roll sued each other for "Blame". They settled out of court- both parties paid the families. I can tell you- this has happened many times. Gerts needs SF and SF needs Gerts. They will settle and probably share the costs. Neither will lose operating capital. Their insurance companies will pay. As long as the family gets something to help them with their loss I suppose it does not matter who pays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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