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Of course, this is speculation, and I don't claim to be an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but it wouldn't be hard at all to see how she fell out. If the bar went over her tummy, instead of the top of her thighs, the second she hit air time and an overbanked turn and her body lifted up, there would be nothing holding her in! I have read where several witnesses stated that the lap bar came back in closed. It is conceivable that the light could have still been green that it was closed, because the computer wouldn't know the difference between a tummy or a thigh. I wonder how much Six Flags will divulge in the end since they are not required by law to tell us.

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There are obviously some holes in what actually happened, and hopefully what really happened will come out. It's crazy how the GP treat test things though. I mean you have a higher chance of drowning in your bathtub than dying on a roller coaster, but people still take baths all the time, I just don't understand.

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I think the victim wasn't large as much as round -- probably very short legs. I also have to wonder if she passed out (it's hot in Texas) although things happen quick.

 

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That's the most restrictive rules I've ever seen. I don't think I've ridden a lap bar coaster recently where the bar touches my thighs. Sounds very painful unless the geometry is better.

 

On days when I have gone and my shorts didn't cover the tops of my thighs where the lap bar rested, air time was a little uncomfortable, and I am not a big person. For some reason, I have also noticed it to be that way if it was towards the end of a hot, muggy day after riding a bunch of stuff, too. If I rode NTAG first, then no problem. Some reason, the combo of being hot, sweaty, and shorter shorts, the air time isn't as comfortable to me. Most of the time. Awesome!

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The media can talk about amusement parks being unsafe all they want, it's not stopping people from pouring through the turnstiles, and it certainly didn't stop me from having to wait 45 minutes for Verbolten Sunday.

 

The end result of all this is; It's an accident. Are ride ops probably going to be a bit more careful when getting restraints down on larger people? Yes. Are parks going to start adding seat belts, and sensors, and making people suck in their gut and do push-ups before boarding? No.

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Kens5 San Antonio actually did some better reporting about the restraints. Glad they didn their research.

 

ARLINGTON - There were more questions but few answers Sunday as the Texas Giant remains shut down at Six Flags Over Texas.

 

Rosy Esparza, 52, fell to her death from the roller coaster ride on Friday, according to her family.

 

The biggest unanswered question concerns the safety restraint system on the ride.

 

On Friday, some witnesses told News 8 that Esparza was concerned when the restraint didn't appear to tighten properly.

 

"She tells the guy, 'I only snapped once.' And he was nonchalant about it. 'You're fine,'" said Carmen Brown, who said she watched the woman fall from the ride.

 

But there are questions about whether a hydraulic-based restraint, like the one aboard the ride, would actually make any "click" at all.

 

The German manufacturer advertises in an online pamphlet that "the use of redundant hydraulic cylinders ensures that each lap-bar can be infinitely adjusted."

 

A leading safety expert, Bill Avery, told ABC News there are other factors to consider.

 

"I can tell you that persons of larger upper body torsos that typically the lap bar will not go down all the way to the top of the thighs - meeting at the waist line closer to the body, where it actual should be - and some cases they can actually rest on the abdomen, and in situations like that, it is not appropriate," he said on Sunday.

 

Family members of Esparza are asking for privacy.

 

The family is considering the possibility of retaining an attorney.

 

Since the death appears to have been accidental, neither Arlington police or fire officials are investigating any further.

 

Six Flags had no comment on Sunday, but said earlier in the weekend that its thoughts were with the family and that it was conducting a thorough investigation.

 

Other rides remain open at the park, but the Texas Giant is expected to be closed for the foreseeable future.

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I am sure the "person of size" thing is going to be rebutted by all of the fat Americans in this country. If her size is considered to be the main cause for the accident, and then people of her size won't be able to ride the ride in the future, it will be seen as a discrimination against larger people.

 

Would you rather die or not be able to ride a roller coaster?!?

 

There is no discrimination IMO.

 

Safety comes first. And unfortunately is just is not impossible to design a ride that can handle riders of all sizes.

 

Suicide by Rollercoaster, at least go out having fun. Huge dickhead move to anyone else still waiting in line though as well as following days or weeks.

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When I was explaining it to her, I was using Apollo's Chariot as an example and said that for a rider to fall out, the femur would literally have to break in half. If the above were the case, would her weight, the majority of which was above the lap bar, and therefore unsupported, combined with the ridiculous airtime be able to put enough stress on her legs to break them? I mean if she had smaller legs or--complete speculation here--bone weakness or something, it might be possible? A bit of a stretch, but perhaps no more unlikely than the one in a million chance that accident would happen in the first place. It would explain the lack of mechanical failure and the lack of an immediate explanation because (forgive the morbidity) after the fall her bones were probably broken anyway, so it'd be hard to tell. It's such a weird and terrible accident.

 

Watch this video that was posted a couple pages back and it's very easy to see how she slipped out, no broken bones involved. I've sort of changed my mind about all this, it seems to be primarily operator error. This video combined with the entrance sign posted above pretty much tells you all you need to know. The bar was touching her belly or bosom, not her thighs, so it didn't come down far enough to properly secure her, and the sign clearly explains that that has to be avoided.

 

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Really not much more to say, I guess.

 

My friend and I were discussing this last night. This a perfect representation of why the size requirements are in place. Not only did the guy's tummy protrude too far for the lap bar to go down, but his thighs were too big for the lap bar to go down over them safely.

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I am sure the "person of size" thing is going to be rebutted by all of the fat Americans in this country. If her size is considered to be the main cause for the accident, and then people of her size won't be able to ride the ride in the future, it will be seen as a discrimination against larger people.

 

Would you rather die or not be able to ride a roller coaster?!?

 

There is no discrimination IMO.

 

Safety comes first. And unfortunately is just is not impossible to design a ride that can handle riders of all sizes.

 

Suicide by Rollercoaster, at least go out having fun. Huge dickhead move to anyone else still waiting in line though as well as following days or weeks.

 

There is a camel hump on the Titan that provides a nice sensation of floating airtime for me, as I fit between ratchets on the lap bar. It's my favorite part of the ride, aside from the 255 ft drop going down the first hill. I told my friend riding with me as I threw my hands up going over it, that if I die, I'll die with a smile on my face! She said, "Don't die!!" Lol!

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I am sure the "person of size" thing is going to be rebutted by all of the fat Americans in this country. If her size is considered to be the main cause for the accident, and then people of her size won't be able to ride the ride in the future, it will be seen as a discrimination against larger people.

 

Would you rather die or not be able to ride a roller coaster?!?

 

There is no discrimination IMO.

 

Safety comes first. And unfortunately is just is not impossible to design a ride that can handle riders of all sizes.

 

I completely agree with you. I was not saying it is discrimination. I am on your side. I think the size thing is ridiculous.

 

I feel sorry for the ride operator who checked her. It will be interesting to find out if he was trained that hearing 1 click is sufficient, and whether that came from the park or the manufacturer, or if 1 click is not sufficient and it falls on him.

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^Not a live shot, that is where witnesses claim she was gone. Keep in mind, one of them was the same witness who was in the station at the time she departed the train....

 

Considering the cherry picker was above the tunnel, about in the center of the back of the ride, if she departed here, it woulda been a helluva journey.

 

 

Statement just released by the park:

 

Friday’s accident remains under investigation by both company and external experts. Until complete, we cannot comment or speculate on what happened. Our thoughts and prayers remain with the family.
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I feel like Six Flags kills so many people that there should be Vegas odds as to the next time it happens. Put me down for $100 in June 2014.

 

 

How can we figure out how to do this as a TPR pool? I'd throw some money down.

 

 

-chris "too soon?" con

 

Serious Edit: looked at the reverse POV posted earlier in this thread.. It looks like via Robb and Jake's movement that only major ejector air is at 3:46 and 4:04 ...Based on my incredibly limited knowledge of roller coasters, I'd expect that it happened at either of these places on the ride ( sorry to speculate! )

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As a rider of 250 coasters (but not NTAG); a former coaster op at KBF; a mechanical engineer; a 6'2" 250lb fella who was recently denied ridership of my first coaster (wicked twister); and a reader of the past 40 pages of posts and articles

i wanted to put forth my 2 cents:

 

-i believe with a high degree of confidence that the restraints operated as designed and experienced no sort of failure

-i believe that seat belts alone would not have prevented this tragedy. as others have stated, seat belts ensure that a minimum angle of closure of the restraint is met. according to y'all, NTAG's limit switches, which manifest as green lights, provide this same function

-i believe that nothing can be designed with 100% certainty. again, as others have stated, this tragedy was most likely a freak accident, that is, the perfect storm of rider size and proportions, and the level of operational safety checks

-i believe that at a minimum, operational procedures will be revamped such as being required to ensure contact with the thighs, or any other recommended measure to ensure rider safety. we may also see new restraints, new trains, or even, as a worst case scenario, a ride experience alteration, such as trim brakes (hope not as i don't have the credit yet)

 

thanks for listening, and i do wish to extend heart-felt condolences to the victims

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As a rider of 250 coasters (but not NTAG); a former coaster op at KBF; a mechanical engineer; a 6'2" 250lb fella who was recently denied ridership of my first coaster (wicked twister); and a reader of the past 40 pages of posts and articles

i wanted to put forth my 2 cents:

 

-i believe with a high degree of confidence that the restraints operated as designed and experienced no sort of failure

-i believe that seat belts alone would not have prevented this tragedy. as others have stated, seat belts ensure that a minimum angle of closure of the restraint is met. according to y'all, NTAG's limit switches, which manifest as green lights, provide this same function

-i believe that nothing can be designed with 100% certainty. again, as others have stated, this tragedy was most likely a freak accident, that is, the perfect storm of rider size and proportions, and the level of operational safety checks

-i believe that at a minimum, operational procedures will be revamped such as being required to ensure contact with the thighs, or any other recommended measure to ensure rider safety. we may also see new restraints, new trains, or even, as a worst case scenario, a ride experience alteration, such as trim brakes (hope not as i don't have the credit yet)

 

thanks for listening, and i do wish to extend heart-felt condolences to the victims

 

Well said. I think you've hit the nail on the head.

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Since we are all just talking- I'd like to talk about hydraulic cylinders for a second. I own a number of pieces of heavy machinery-(a couple tractors, two bobcats/skid steers and an excavator)... They all use hydraulic cylinders.

 

What's a hydraulic cylinder? It's a locking mechanism that is mono directional.. Think of it as a syringe. It shoots hydraulic fluid into the mechanism that can only be removed if force is applied via engine conversely.

 

So if one of my tractors or skid steers immediately blows a line, fails, etc. The hydraulic cylinder locks forks, bucket or claw in place so I don't die, the bucket doesn't fall, the machine doesn't flip, the forks don't kill someone on on the ground.

 

So here's the thing- This is a fail safe for relatively dangerous heavy machinery. It's the industry standard. Each one of my machines has one hydraulic cylinder. NTAG- had TWO hydraulic cylinders just in case the first fails.

 

Did the hydraulics lap bar fail on NTAG? No, I don't think it did. The only possible way in my mind is if one cylinder failed and the computer program operating the ride allowed ride operators to override the indicators on the first cylinder. That doesn't even seem remotely likely.

 

-Chris "though I'm not an engineer, but I did stay at a holiday inn express" Con

 

PS Someone post a video of Robb on HNL... Great to see our community leaders getting media attention on a national level.

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PS Someone post a video of Robb on HNL... Great to see our community leaders getting media attention on a national level.

 

I would also like to see it. However, it's a shame though that this only happens when bad things happen at amusement parks.

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Just came back from the park, pretty crowded for a Monday. I noticed many guests taking pics of NTAG. It's obviously gotten to be quite famous, but for the wrong reasons. There wasn't much happening around NTAG itself, save for a sign stating that the ride was "Temporarily Closed". The train was running again so I took a few pics.

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Near the area where the tragedy occured.

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This sign greeted park guests.

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That banking turn might have been where the accident occured .

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Black tarp covered the loading station.

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Near the area where Rozy Esparza fell out of the train.

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The once mighty Texas Giant has fallen silent.

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How many times have I walked up these stairs over the years?

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The Giant is silent. The black tarp seems appropriate.

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My favorite pic of NTAG.

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