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"unfortunately"   Seriously. . WTF is wrong with you ??

They aren't changing anything.  Same goes for Fiesta Texas. https://www.sixflags.com/overtexas/plan-your-visit/safety-protocols  

I don’t entirely understand why this is getting so much publicity and so many questions surrounding it as if there aren’t 15 other states with no mask mandates including many states that have Six Flag

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what a tragic accident and prayers for the family. I know when I ride a roller coaster I always push down 2 or 3 times to make sure the lap bar is down all the way. I trust the ride ops but it never hurts to double check them before leaving the station and going up the hill. I agree with most everybody, with the bar still being down on the return into the station it wasn't a mechanical failure but just a body type vs lap bar. I couldn't imagine seeing something happen like this towards the beginning of the ride and having to sit there during the rest of the course after seeing that. My prayers for everyone on that train. One thing that the GP needs to keep in mind is that there's no perfectly safe roller coaster and that when you sit down on one, you have to be aware of "yes I realize there's an implied risk of inury" that comes from being hauled around so fast and twisting at such angles.

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I am sure the "person of size" thing is going to be rebutted by all of the fat Americans in this country. If her size is considered to be the main cause for the accident, and then people of her size won't be able to ride the ride in the future, it will be seen as a discrimination against larger people.

 

Would you rather die or not be able to ride a roller coaster?!?

 

There is no discrimination IMO.

 

Safety comes first. And unfortunately is just is not impossible to design a ride that can handle riders of all sizes.

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Here we go.... USA Today.COM has an article "How Safe Are Roller Coasters?". I can't see the video at work so if someone can look at it and advise if it's a good or negative article.

 

Well, I'm 47 seconds into it and they've already called NTAG "the world's steepest wooden roller coaster".

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As redundant as seatbelts are and un-necessary as some may see them, based on the actions taken in the past by Six Flags following the Superman Incident, you may see one of two things or both. First, seatbelts are likely to be added. Even if the system as designed works, the guests' perception (non-enthusiast) of safety matters. Furthermore, Six Flags could go the extra step and have gerstlauer redesign the lap bars to have the vertical side bars like on superman:ROS and bizarro.

 

 

What would the vertical side bars have done? In this situation, probably nothing.

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I am sure the "person of size" thing is going to be rebutted by all of the fat Americans in this country. If her size is considered to be the main cause for the accident, and then people of her size won't be able to ride the ride in the future, it will be seen as a discrimination against larger people.

 

I'm sure it could be seen as such, but if discrimination is keeping larger people safe, then so be it. If this is really becoming a problem will ride manufacturers have to start catering better to obese American riders? I know B&M has an option to include "Big Boy" seats, maybe that will start becoming more commonplace?

 

I know as of now it's uncomfortable and awkward to the ride operators (and subsequently embarrassing to the guests) to turn away riders for their size, especially if they're seemingly in denial of the issue at hand (you all know how entitled Americans can be).

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I don't see how a park can really set a weight/size limitation. Short of an employee at the line entrance taking everyone's body measurements with a tape measure, it really isn't specifically about a person's weight that is the problem. Like Robb said, it is more about volume. Someone could weigh 230 lbs and have a 52 waist and not be able to fit on a coaster, where someone who weighs 260 and has a 46 waist could ride. It's all about where that person holds their weight.

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I don't see how a park can really set a weight/size limitation. Short of an employee at the line entrance taking everyone's body measurements with a tape measure, it really isn't specifically about a person's weight that is the problem. Like Robb said, it is more about volume. Someone could weigh 230 lbs and have a 52 waist and not be able to fit on a coaster, where someone who weighs 260 and has a 46 waist could ride. It's all about where that person holds their weight.

 

Measure if in doubt? The aviation industry has the power to do it. If a pilot is concerned that the average weight distribution normally utilised won't work for a certain load of passengers, then he/she can order the entire load of passengers to be weighed. Training employees to recognise dangerous body shapes would probably be a good solution.

 

A general question, why do so many manufacturers utilise a T bar design, rather than an inverted U design? Supplemented with a large seat horn, it would make rides a lot safer without reducing ridership.

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This morning's analyst call with Six Flags stated there is now both an internal and external investigation being conducted.

 

Analyst Call

 

I think I had read that Gertlauer was supposed to be onsite today to check things out as well. I wonder if that is what six flags is calling the "external investigation" because technically it is external to six flags itself.

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Update: Official Cause of Death

 

Dallas News

 

The Tarrant County Medical Examiner says the woman thrown from The Texas Giant at Six Flags Over Texas Friday night died of “multiple traumatic injuries due to [a] fall from roller coaster.”

 

Her time of death is listed as 7 p.m. And the coroner officially lists the manner of death as “accident.”

 

The coroner names the 52-year-old Dallas woman as Rosa Ayala-Goana. Her family told our reporters that her name was Rosy Esparza. The Tarrant County ME’s office has confirmed that her husband’s last name is Esparza.

 

She turned 52 on June 28.

 

As we reported, the Texas Giant will remain closed until Six Flags finishes its investigation, which could last months. Gerstlauer Amusement Rides, the German firm that manufactured the Giant’s cars, is sending investigators to Arlington this week to assist with the inquiry. Arlington police will leave the investigation to Six Flags and Gerstlauer officials.

 

Six Flags’ Chairman Jim Reid-Anderson said Monday morning the amusement park operator will have no further comment on the incident until after Six Flags and Gerstlauer’s investigations are finished.

 

Said Reid-Anderson in a morning conference call with analysts, “We’ve been here throughout the weekend to support our team as we work through this tragic event. Utilizing both internal and external experts we are investigating the cause of the accident, and until that process is complete with have no additional information to share with you about the incident. The ride has been closed. And you can rest assured that it will remain closed until we are certain that it is safe to ride.

 

“Our deepest sympathy goes out to the family and we are providing them support as best as we can. We ask that you keep the guest’s family in your prayers.”

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I feel like Six Flags kills so many people that there should be Vegas odds as to the next time it happens. Put me down for $100 in June 2014.

 

Of course the largest amusement park chain is going to have the most accidents... But even then it's not that frequent. When was the last time?

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5) A lap seat belt could have prevented ejection from happening, but newer rides with hydraulic restraints are believed to not need seat belts due to the statistical impossibility of the restraints failing. It's also impossible for the manufacturer to test the restraints for every possible human body shape and size. This accident required the perfect storm of rider body type, operation conditions and G-forces to happen. Thus I don't believe the blame can be placed on the manufacturer of the trains in court, and certainly not RMC.

 

This is where the entire issue lies, and I'm sorry but I don't buy it. If there are conditions where the lap bar can fail, and we KNOW this is true because it's happened on other rides in the past, then there should have been seat belts. If they didn't want to install them because they reduce capacity, then the designers and the park created an unsafe ride in the name of increased profit margins, no more, no less, and they should be held accountable.

 

As an aside, I've never ridden a ride with shin bars. Now that I see what they actually look like, I must say they don't look comfortable at all. Though I guess I'd prefer them to OTSR.

 

No, you're making a distinction here. The issue is not the lap bar failing, because it's statistically impossible. I also want to point out that you're putting words in my mouth about the seat belts. I never claimed the manufacturer intentionally left them out against safety protocol just for rider capacity gains. I don't have access to all the safety studies and mechanical testing they performed, but most if not all hydraulic restraints do not have seat belts. And that is across multiple manufacturers. The real issue here is that apparently there is not a one-size-fits-all restraint that can fit all body types at the programmed minimum restraint angle, and that's something I can't speculate about because I haven't seen the data.

 

 

I think you it the nail on the head.

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^^ From what I could dig up real quick it looks like almost exactly 1 year ago at La Ronde...but you're still correct, it seems more likely than it is because of all of the sensationalist journalism...same thing with plane crashes.

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I love these reports and reporters saying "These rides can be fun, but dangerous" or "Just how safe are these rides?" Honestly, everyday a couple hundred people get hurt or die in car accidents, 1, ONE death this year on a coaster and everyone goes nuts.

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I love these reports and reporters saying "These rides can be fun, but dangerous" or "Just how safe are these rides?" Honestly, everyday a couple hundred people get hurt or die in car accidents, 1, ONE death this year on a coaster and everyone goes nuts.

 

This. Some of these reports are hard to even read because of this stupidity.

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Everybody else is like, ‘clickity clack clucky ducky QUACK, clickity clack clucky ducky QUACK, clickity clack clucky ducky QUACK.’ Hers only clicked once. Hers was the only one that went down once, and she didn’t feel safe, but they let her still get on the ride. …

 

Uh, don't get me wrong guys but...if you don't feel safe and only clicked once, wouldn't common sense tell you to push it down more so you are secure? Does NTAG's restraints allow for further pushing down once locked? Every ride I've been on allows for further tightening..which typically happens a lot during mid ride via forces. I've also 'stapled' myself when going up the lift when I felt it was necessary... NTAG is not a coaster I'd mess around with a single clickity clack clucky ducky QUACK on.

 

I was always able to push my restraints down more even after they were "locked". Heck, even going up the lift hill I would push it down just a bit more since gravity helps at that point (and I like being squished into my seat).

 

The clicking part didn't make sense since the restraints are so smooth and quiet... but usually the employees there help me push the restraint down if I request it. Story doesn't really add up.

 

I saw that report. That same lady was saying that she was next in line and watched her go up the lift hill, throw her hands up and fall off. A) If you are next in line for NTAG, the lift hill is BEHIND the station and not visible. B) Her body wasn't at the bottom of the hill, but at the overbank turn. C) How many of you waiting in line pick out one stranger on a ride and watch them put their hands up? Even in the places in line that you can see the hill, you can't pick out one person. I smelled b.s. with that woman. I questioned if she was even there. But news media will interview anybody that says they were a witness. The other people they mentioned (but didn't put on tv) told a more believable story than this chick did.

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^ Did you see the interview with this Carmen lady, she's just making up whatever to get her 15 seconds of fame she looks like she could be the sister to Antoine Dodson (Rape song). Edit: She also is the one who said the restraints didn't click 3x when they don't click at all.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-yAtJHXZ58 She's at 1:05 in this video. Sorry if this has been posted too many times before.

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^ Did you see the interview with this Carmen lady, she's just making up whatever to get her 15 seconds of fame she looks like she could be the sister to Antoine Dodson (Rape song). Edit: She also is the one who said the restraints didn't clickity clack clucky ducky QUACK 3x when they don't clickity clack clucky ducky QUACK at all.

 

I saw it on our local news (we live in DFW area) that night and looked at my husband and we both were shaking our heads. I told him, she didn't see anything. Either that or she was so hysterical and freaked out that she thought she saw stuff she didn't see. I tried to give her the benefit of the doubt, but her story was so full of holes. I wonder if she even spoke with actual investigators or just the folks with video cameras who didn't know you can't see the lift hill from the line que, and the bars don't click, etc etc.

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^ Did you see the interview with this Carmen lady, she's just making up whatever to get her 15 seconds of fame she looks like she could be the sister to Antoine Dodson (Rape song). Edit: She also is the one who said the restraints didn't clickity clack clucky ducky QUACK 3x when they don't clickity clack clucky ducky QUACK at all.

 

Really kind of sad that people would use this kind of thing just and make stuff up like this just so they can get on tv and brag to their friends that they got interviewed.

 

^ I love these reports and reporters saying "These rides can be fun, but dangerous" or "Just how safe are these rides?" Honestly, everyday a couple hundred people get hurt or die in car accidents, 1, ONE death this year on a coaster and everyone goes nuts.

 

I completely agree, I saw on IAAPA's website that the statistic of dying at an amusement park is 1 in 450 million people and the GP they see something like this they all get scared of going to one.

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That USA Today video didn't seem as negative as I thought it was going to be. 1 in 750 million chance of dying on a roller coaster - you have a better chance of winning the lottery. I'll take those chances.

 

By the way I love the new word filter. Click

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