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Although her identification doesn't make the victim's death any less unfortunate, this news at least seems to provide some insight into what happened: no mechanical malfunction, but rather a rider with a particular body type that allowed her to escape from a supposedly locked and theoretically safe restraint.

 

Perhaps it's time for more sophisticated rider requirements? As others have mentioned, maybe height alone isn't the best matrix to determine rider eligibility. Of course, I have no idea how a park could measure riders' body proportions with any efficiency or political correctness.

 

I'll be interested to see where we go from here (once an official cause is cited, of course). Now that someone has died on the ride, the status quo doesn't seem a viable option (if only for perception's sake). Will seat belts be added? A tighter "rider screening" program put in place? Or, the option which is most likely in my opinion, will the park do both?

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Nitro’s description says that too. Six Flags is just dumb.

Wow, Six Flags. All of those things are really great.   We really are living in a fantasy world...

Looks like Aquaman has been delayed until 2022...... 

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Just my 2 cents on the seatbelts debate, while it's true that the restraint system should make the need for a seatbelt unnecessary, the unfortunate fact of the matter is that ,in this one incident, the chances are that if there had been a seatbelt the woman would probably still be alive.

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Just my 2 cents on the seatbelts debate, while it's true that the restraint system should make the need for a seatbelt unnecessary, the unfortunate fact of the matter is that ,in this one incident, the chances are that if there had been a seatbelt the woman would probably still be alive.

 

I think that she would still be alive with seat belts as well. Either they would have prevented her from falling, or, if it couldn't reach around her, she would have had to take the walk of shame. Both scenarios are viable.

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Let me just say that I have operated multiple coasters that did not allow dispatch unless every restraint was locked and lowered to a certain point. On NONE of these would the ride stop if a malfunction occurred with the restraint system. Once the train begins to move, the contact between the train and the ride's computer is broken, and the computer has no way of telling what is going on with the restraints. Unless there is some newfangled wireless communication system out there that can relay information from the train to the computer, the train must be parked in the station to communicate with the computer. I have operated a coaster built in 2012 with the latest technology, so if such a system exists, it probably would have been on there. I have never seen any sensors out on the track that did anything other than indicate block occupancy.

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I heard about the accident and figured this would be the best place to get an accurate account of what could have happened. I'm glad I was right. I follow you guys on Twitter (same screen name) and love roller coasters, unfortunately though not at your level! I am headed to SFGAm next month with my son and before my wife freaks out about safety, I needed some good facts so thanks to everyone here. I'm not sure he'll even ride anything at his age, but I know I've peaked his interest with Insane Coaster Wars. I'll let you know how that trip turns out.

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Does anyone know if Outlaw is operating?

 

Outlaw Run was running as if nothing had happened at SFOT at all. So that's still open.

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A personal observation from Hansa-Park a few weeks ago:

 

The old Schwarzkopf looper Nessie has seats with no seat divider and I saw a quite big woman taking place in the middle and put one lapbar over each of her legs - she wouldn't have fitted into a single lapbar. The attendant only checked if both lapbars were locked and allowed the woman to ride this way. I doubt if this was intended by the ride manufacturer.

 

IMO adding seat dividers would be a better idea and they wouldn't slow down operations as much as seatbelts.

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Let me just say that I have operated multiple coasters that did not allow dispatch unless every restraint was locked and lowered to a certain point. On NONE of these would the ride stop if a malfunction occurred with the restraint system. Once the train begins to move, the contact between the train and the ride's computer is broken, and the computer has no way of telling what is going on with the restraints. Unless there is some newfangled wireless communication system out there that can relay information from the train to the computer, the train must be parked in the station to communicate with the computer. I have operated a coaster built in 2012 with the latest technology, so if such a system exists, it probably would have been on there. I have never seen any sensors out on the track that did anything other than indicate block occupancy.

 

I'm guessing NTAG doesn't feature either of these, but both of those features you mentioned (WiFi and restraint sensors on ride tracks) are possible and in service on various rides throughout the world.

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Until we know more, I think we have to try and avoid too much speculation.

 

From an engineering point of view though, the chances of a modern hydraulic restraint failing are nill. As long as the correct type of restraint for this ride type was used, which I'm sure it was, then it should not be a problem.

 

As others have said, a simple seat belt in the thigh region is probably the simplest way to avoid a similar incident.

 

What is the shape of the Giant's seats like? Any dividers or seat horns?

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This is why overweight people need to be checked at the entrance or just not be able to ride.

 

Just recently, we had two people who I would NOT consider "large" at all, not fit into Hollywood Dream in Japan, purely because of "shape".

 

So you could potentially have a weight restriction on a ride, and that still wouldn't matter as you could have someone top-heavy enough to fall out.

 

I'm not sure what the answer is, in this case, but I'd have to think there must be some way to measure if a rider isn't the right "shape" to fit a restraint, right?

 

The way we realised we wouldn't be able to get on was by using the test seat. Which is how you're supposed to see if you have the wrong dimensions to fit on a coaster. But I have seen so many test seats either in places where if you stop to use it you're in the way or it's somewhere that isn't really visible (like the Hollywood Dream: The Ride one wasn't). I don't usually use test seats though because I had never been turned away from a ride.

 

A weight check wouldn't solve the problem and would probably discourage people from the parks causing a loss of revenue. I know people have said ride ops should look at the person before putting them in the seat but it's just not as simple as that. You can't have safety checks based on a ride ops opinion!

 

Surely the main solution is to use a different type of lapbar restraint that makes it impossible for this to happen. Adapt something like the B&M clamshells, where you're not just pinning the front part of the body. Those have the bits at the side also pinning you in (this is probably a bad explanation).

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My mother herd about this situation somehow, and now she's going on and on about how she's never riding any big coaster again.

 

Mostly because this year she was able to fit on raging bull for the first time in about 3 years. The last time she tried to ride it the lap bars wouldn't lock. I told her it was her thighs but my mother is very self conscious. So she didn't ride anything for a long time. Till this year she started some diet and lost a couple of sizes so I made her ride it. This time the lap bars locked but when she looked at the deference between her seat and mine she got nervous saying she didn't feel safe. I told her nothing can open the restraint once it started to calm her down.

 

So now she herd this story and jumped to conclusion that the woman's weight made it open. She won't even listen when I say it was a different type of ride, and how they don't know what happen, and how rare this is. Now she's going on about how that could be her the next time she rides something and do I want her to die it's extremely dramatic, and highly annoying.

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Oh yeah slap a seat belt on it and open it back up. I know it takes a bit longer to load and check but i think adding seatbelts to nearly every coaster that would need one or a connector to the harness/bar would be a fine modification to help this NEVER happen again

And still i cant see how this would have happened, still. I cant see how it would open, or slip but...

 

Investigators will investigate

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Well, when I look at the seats and the restraints and put it next to the picture of the woman, I'm pretty sure, the station workers had to press pretty hard to get the restraint to "clack" just once (Actually, in an interview with a witness, they said it in deed locked just once and that the woman didn't feel safe about that). And that's, what shouldn't have been ... When it's that hard to lock the restraint, that person shouldn't be on the coaster.

I was on a Top Spin once and I kinda like pressed the restraint down a too much and during the ride it released itself a little bit. Shock of my life, but nothing happened. I think, that's what happened to the woman due to her size and the negative G-forces. And because it was only locked once ... well, that happened.

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Well, when I look at the seats and the restraints and put it next to the picture of the woman, I'm pretty sure, the station workers had to press pretty hard to get the restraint to "clack" just once (Actually, in an interview with a witness, they said it in deed locked just once and that the woman didn't feel safe about that). And that's, what shouldn't have been ... When it's that hard to lock the restraint, that person shouldn't be on the coaster.

I was on a Top Spin once and I kinda like pressed the restraint down a too much and during the ride it released itself a little bit. Shock of my life, but nothing happened. I think, that's what happened to the woman due to her size and the negative G-forces. And because it was only locked once ... well, that happened.

 

Did you read the previous pages, the seats don't click or clack or cluck or even quack, they are hydraulic.

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Did you read the previous pages, the seats don't click or clack or cluck or even quack, they are hydraulic.

 

Really?

Oh, my bad.

Well I kinda read the pages, but not word for word and most information about that accident I got from other sources. And in one of them I read about that and I instantly thought of what I wrote.

The amount of posts here right now is pretty huge and reading everything would just ... take too long compared to the time I have.

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My mother herd about this situation somehow, and now she's going on and on about how she's never riding any big coaster again.

 

Wow, don't tell her about the thousands of people who are going to die today in car crashes.

 

Or does she never leave the house? Gotta stay safe!

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