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Okay I wasn't trying to sound confusing with the ''ride will stop when there is a problem'' statement. What I was trying to say is, the ride will stop after it has started at the first opportunity IF something is wrong, in this case since the ride continued it did not sense something wrong, meaning her harness never moved from it's locked position.

 

As for who asked about Titan, for example if that were to happen the ride would proceed to it's mid brake run and stop if a restraint came loose, I personally feel really secure on the NTAG, but even more secure on Titan lol

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Okay, the posters speculating that the restraint was on her belly and not under just do not understand how the Gerstlauer lap bars work. As a bigger guy whose weight fluctuates I can tell you they would not have let the ride dispatch if the lap bar hadn't been down to the green light position. It happened to me on Pandemonium last year when I was about 20 pounds heavier than usual. The green light didn't go on and the ride ops had to push a little more, not uncomfortably more, than it was already onto my lap to get the clear to dispatch. These lap bars are not like a PTC wood coaster with no air that they let substantially larger than average people rest on the belly. The green light position is on the lap. While the speculation over the combination of her weight and the extreme forces on TG is plausible, the questioning whether the lap bar was down far enough to secure her into the seat is not. They just would not have sent the train onto the course if the lap bar had been resting on her belly instead of on her legs.

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Yeah that makes sense. It's not logical to add technology that would stop the ride at any time. One guy said a few posts ago that restraints cannot come undone. I hope that's the case. I haven't ever heard of restraints popping open during a ride. If certain technologies don't allow the restraints to come open, then there is no point to add brakes everywhere. It just comes down to making sure everyone fits in their seat properly.

 

I don't think this is the ride op's fault at all. Just a freak accident. Hopefully Texas Giant will open up again soon. I don't think there's anything wrong with the ride.

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You're right Rob, first post by the way Been a fan for years, but I live here in Dallas and I go to SFOT almost every week and the Texas Giant is usually a minimum 3 rides a day for me, the restraint is damn hard to pull down and the employees I noticed this year on every ride have actually been taking their job of securing people in more seriously so I was shocked by this. The NTAG staff always ALWAYS before they send off the train don't just lightly tap the restraint and say ''check'', they shove the thing with both hands to make sure you're in. Yes I'm speculating, but given your comment and how, no offense to her because it's sad she died. This is a case where likely the restraint didn't get to her thighs which is where it's meant to go as we all know. And so she literally probably slipped out like a bar of soap, I doubt any seat belt attached to the harness would have saved her. I know a lot about the safety systems being a junkie of the ride and I know ride ops who have run it. The system WILL not let the train move if everything is not secured. The brake run halfway through would have stopped the train if the system detected something ''unsafe'' and they would have made the other passengers walk down the safety exits from the ride. So that's how I'm going to perceive it logically until the investigation report comes out because that is what now seems to make the most sense. Anyone agree?

THIS. When I rode NTAG, what I remember was that every different host that checked my seat stapled me. I was not upset at all because after riding the ride, I was thankful they did! But it wasn't just an 'oops I accidentally stapled that guy,' it was obviously intentional. They really leaned into it.

 

Also, I have NEVER heard of mid course brakes having sensors on them that detect lap bars. I'm only familiar with B&M coasters, however. Is there any actual proof that this is true of NTAG? It honestly sounds like some BS that someone made up in light of this event. What I know is that if there is a malfunction with restraints, it would be detectable RIGHT after it is locked by the ride. There are times when a restraint does malfunction and it's instantly detected by the ride host so the seat isn't loaded. I just can't really imagine a scenario where something DURING the ride would cause a restraint to malfunction. These are heavy duty cylinders! What usually happens is it doesn't lock after being released, not that it randomly releases itself. I only know the functions of Intamin restraints, but I imagine they are all the same design.

 

If anything changes on the ride, I would expect them to add seat belts. They hold riders in differently than lap bars, and restrict vertical movement much more...just my 2 cents.

 

 

I get what your saying, what I was saying has been misinterpreted. My proof is I've worked on the ride =P so I learned ALL about the safety systems and how they'll work etc. incase of an incident such as this. The whole point I was making was since the ride was able to leave, and it didn't stop at the brake run because she was out right after the first drop. Then nothing actually malfunctioned. That was my whole point.

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"I don't think this is the ride op's fault at all. Just a freak accident. Hopefully Texas Giant will open up again soon. I don't think there's anything wrong with the ride."

 

Agreed Cody, I'll happily be first in line when it's open again. I love that ride.

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They need to use the test seat and have it actually be set up correctly. If it doesn't click enough times they cant ride! If they are too wide they cant ride. It would have saved this persons life if she would have been denied the ability to ride.

 

 

The restraints DON'T CLICK!

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Living In America I'm getting used to it but it just amazes me that a ride can run near flawlessly for years on end, have thousands upon thousands of riders who have ridden safely, then you get ONE person that shouldn't have been on the ride in the firstplace be involved in an admittedly tragic accident and all of a sudden the restraints that have worked so well are no longer an adequate means of restraint?

 

Not saying thats what is going to happen, but if it does it all just seems so knee-jerk and unnecessary.

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This situation sounds eerily similar to the Perilous Plunge incident at Knotts Berry Farm where the restraint did not fail, the dimensions of the rider allowed her to slip out of the restraint when the airtime forces occured.

 

This is what happens: lap restraints are designed to be rest against your waist. When you're sitting, your knees and waist allow your torso to create an angle where you're secure. When a person is overweight the lap restraint is not pressed against your waist, its pressed against your gut. When the forces of the ride occur your gut flails around and moves, allowing a tremendous gap between your waist and restraint where the gut once was. Hit a hill at the right time, the gut moves above the restraint, your body is no longer secure, and an airtime hill will throw you like you're not even wearing a restraint at all (because at that point you're really not).

We were actually just discussing how similar this seems to the Perilous Plunge accident. If you remember, they had to re-design the restraints on that ride, and unfortunately, what the end resulted ended up being very uncomfortable and greatly impacted the capacity of the ride. Hopefully the same doesn't happen for Texas Giant.

 

Also, I have now heard conflicting reports of Iron Rattler being open. Can anyone confirm if the ride is open or closed?

 

I'm hearing that all Fiesta Texas rides are open. If Iron Rattler is indeed operating, that could mean no modification or uncomfortable restrains will be added. If the restraints are changed, (I hope not), hopefully they would op for the same traditional lap bars as Titans.

If the victims size or shape is determined to be a factor in the incident. As uncomfortable as it may make riders. I think some form of measuring body portions may be the only answer. Unfortuntely that could leave riders who are top heavy feeling descriminated against. Does anyone know if Outlaw is operating?

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Living In America I'm getting used to it but it just amazes me that a ride can run near flawlessly for years on end, have thousands upon thousands of riders who have ridden safely, then you get ONE person that shouldn't have been on the ride in the firstplace be involved in an admittedly tragic accident and all of a sudden the restraints that have worked so well are no longer an adequate means of restraint?

 

Not saying thats what is going to happen, but if it does it all just seems so knee-jerk and unnecessary.

 

I understand your point, but the bottom line is they HAVE to do one of these two things

 

1) Change restraints so that somebody with her body type can ride safely

2) Change procedures and/or sensors so somebody with her body type is not allowed to ride.

 

Which way they go we'll just have to wait and see. They could do like Cedar Point and make the restraints much less forgiving

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i wish there was a little more rider prudence, as I am sure has been stated many times before on this thread. By way of explanation, i stopped riding for 4 years (with the exception of Boulder Dash two years ago..and only once) because my weight had become untenable and not fit for coastering. I won't say it's a typically American conceit for some riders to think it's okay to heist their bulk into a train and expect natural and engineered forces to instantly compensate for weights/forces they are not completely designed for, but I have rarely encountered that blanket assumption anyplace but here. As I said..am not trying to be hate-mongering, just passing on an observation.

 

Just a very tragic incident all around; am waiting patiently and avidly for new information and analyses. as is everyone.

 

(completely unrelated: it is great to be back on my favorite website after months and months of not being able to. absolutely love this site.)

 

That is all.

 

Scott

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^^Welcome to America: Home of Lawyers and people without common sense.

 

Thoughts and Prayers to the Family.

 

About as much common sense as thinking your doing a favor to a family you dont know by saying "thoughts and prayers."

 

America isn't the only home of a lack of common sense, that's for sure.

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I say just slap on some Millennium Force seatbelts and call it a day.

 

I'd be shocked if seatbelts were not added at this point.

 

I don't really know how the ride operates, but from what I've read it sounds like there's no way the train would have been dispatched if the woman didn't have a green light. So the way I see it, whether the restraint popped open, or she just slipped out from under it, I wouldn't put the woman, or the operators at fault for this at all. It would be either a mechanical failure or just a flaw in the system. In comparison, the Ride of Steel accident a couple years ago is almost definitely a case of operator/rider error. Of course we'll have to wait and see what the investigation turns up as well. Unfortunately accident's happen, but hopefully everyone can learn from it and make things safer.

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^Exactly! The Tbar on Superman when the larger rider fell out was resting on his belly, not his lap. That is not a secure position for a LAP bar to be on a rider on a coaster with those kinds of changes in G forces. The Gerstlauer green light system prevents that from happening. Something else happened here.

 

Just as riders whose belt doesn't fasten on B&M rides, she would have NOT been allowed to ride if she had been too big for the restraint.

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I say just slap on some Millennium Force seatbelts and call it a day.

 

I'd be shocked if seatbelts were not added at this point.

 

I don't really know how the ride operates, but from what I've read it sounds like there's no way the train would have been dispatched if the woman didn't have a green light. So the way I see it, whether the restraint popped open, or she just slipped out from under it, I wouldn't put the woman, or the operators at fault for this at all. It would be either a mechanical failure or just a flaw in the system. In comparison, the Ride of Steel accident a couple years ago is almost definitely a case of operator/rider error. Of course we'll have to wait and see what the investigation turns up as well. Unfortunately accident's happen, but hopefully everyone can learn from it and make things safer.

 

If the speculation is right about what happened I think that is the most likely outcome because it accomplishes two things

 

1) If you make them tight you can screen out people who shouldn't be riding

2) Even if it doesn't really help, the addition of the seatbelt will make the GP feel better about getting on the ride.

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Hey i just realized something, SooperDooperLooper was closed all day today and i remember it being closed yesterday too by looking at the app. Could possibly be because of the accident? But it has had some problems this year anyways so its tough to call.

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Wow, just catching up on all of this. What a terrible accident. Unfortunately, it also is a pretty awful reminder of how bad our media sources can be.

 

 

Hopefully between iRat and NTG something will reopen in time for the Texas/Midwest trip.

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So, so sad. Many moons ago - 1990 - I was boarding the Demon at CGA; there were two morbidly obese women in front of me who couldn't get their restraints to lock, so the ride ops applied all their weight to staple them in, just one click. Still have a picture of that somewhere.

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Maybe we should go to ankle restraints. think of the fun of being able to safely be ejected from your seat only to be snatched at the last second from the hands of doom by your ankle cuff restraints

That could cause some serious injuries. Why not just a backup seatbelt around the waist? Wouldn't that keep pretty much anyone secured?

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So, so sad. Many moons ago - 1990 - I was boarding the Demon at CGA; there were two morbidly obese women in front of me who couldn't get their restraints to lock, so the ride ops applied all their weight to staple them in, just one click. Still have a picture of that somewhere.

 

Exactly what do you mean by "morbidly obese"? I have seen very large people ride NTAG on any number of ocasions without incident. The ride ops just about always push the hydraulic restraints down as far as they'll go. In fact, I'm always complaining about being stapled. Same thing happened last week when I was riding Iron Rattler at SFFT. The ops kept stapling me on every ride.

 

I find it hard to believe that ride ops would take that kind of a chance with people who are obese enough to circumvent the restraints. Anyone that big should be asked not to ride for their own safety.

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OMG a slightly humorous story of my Aunt Gertrude, who was 300 LBS and went on the Parachute Drop at SFGA...she broke it! It literally got stuck halfway down....my mom was all "we are not with her" and me being 7, I was like Mommy that Aunt Gert! we are with her! Then when we went on the cable cars....they.........creaked and stopped. Hilarious

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