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The craziest part about this in my mind is that the incident happened near the very beginning of the ride...so every person sitting behind the woman had to complete the rest of the lengthy ride having just seen a person right in front of them literally fly to her death. The thought of it makes me cringe. Very sad and tragic. We can only hope that anything like this never happens again.

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I'd like to point out, I think this Carmen Brown women is full of shit. She's told the media two bold faced lies.

1-She mentions the clicking noise, where as the Giant uses pneumatic restraints, and they make absolutely no noise. Giants restrains do not click.

2-Her account in the following quote is impossible because the incident took place on a part of the ride that cannot be seen from the station.

"She goes up like this," Brown said raising her hand up in the air. "Then when it drops to come down that's when it released and she just tumbled ... And I said that could have been me because I don't do roller coasters."

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This is a tragic event that will for sure get blown out of proportion by the media. Accidents happen everyday and unfortunately one happened today in the coaster community. Riding a roller coaster is still safer than most daily activities people do, but I'm already seeing the "I'M NEVER RIDING A ROLLAR COASTAR EVAR AGAIN!" comments on social media and in the comments section of the news articles which is awful and just plain stupid.

 

Sending thoughts and prayers down to those involved.

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Not to add any fuel to the fire, but I do remember hearing the Giant was down near the end of June due to one of the trains having lap bar issues. No clue if has anything to do with this, but I'm sure it will be considered in the investigation...

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RCM has said on their Facebook that they heard about the accident and send their prayers to the friends and family involve. Also they note that they can't give any comment about what happened, but they're working to help to get the facts right of what happened.

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Has anyone else see the caption to the current CNN headline: "Thousands hurt yearly on rides?" That statement is so distorted (or misleadingly sensational, rather) I don't know where to begin...

Grabbed it. I think misleading and sensational sums it up...

 

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I'd like to point out, I think this Carmen Brown women is full of poo-poo. She's told the media two bold faced lies.

1-She mentions the clicking noise, where as the Giant uses pneumatic restraints, and they make absolutely no noise. Giants restrains do not click.

2-Her account in the following quote is impossible because the incident took place on a part of the ride that cannot be seen from the station.

"She goes up like this," Brown said raising her hand up in the air. "Then when it drops to come down that's when it released and she just tumbled ... And I said that could have been me because I don't do roller coasters."

 

I've never understood people trying to get on TV by lying about a tragic incident. I really hate some people.

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^^ If you read the "Thousands of injuries" article it says that most of the injuries on rides are very small and that serious injuries only make up a small percentage of accidents. It's not saying that there are thousands of injuries of this nature yearly.

 

I'm sure there will be plenty of people who won't read past the title though.

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I want to state my complete confidence in the Rocky Mountain Construction team, Gerstlauer, and yes, even in Six Flags and hope for the quick resolution of this matter. I would ride the Texas Giant tomorrow if given the opportunity.

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Not sure if this has been posted or not, but this states it happened in the first turn. Carmen Brown is full of it. Like Rob stated the restraints don't click. It's also difficult to see the first drop from the station. On top of that she would've been getting into the next train by the time that train cleared the lift, and I doubt Six Flags was running one train.

 

My heart goes out to the family. I can't imagine how her son feels after witnessing that.

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This is horrific news.

Everyone should try to keep calm before jumping to conclusions. I know it is easy to get into a frenzy when something horrible like this happens, but only time will tell what went wrong.

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What an unfortunate accident, thoughts and prayers go out to that family.

 

I have a question about the restraint lights. I have never seen them before, where are they? And are they only on Gerstlauer trains or does every train manufacturer put them on the trains.

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Crappy situation, and my heart goes out to everyone...

 

But for everyone here, stop and take a step back. Don't listen to any of the speculation and don't contribute to it. The investigation will eventually yield some sort of answer that we can then look at and debate, but before that point there is a number of things that have to happen first, none of which anyone here can do. Listening to people who 'were there' but have no idea about what happened isn't going to help matters either.

 

What we know is that a rider on the NTG came out of the ride and died.

 

I'll also add this, without going deeply into it - restraints are designed to handle the most extreme situations that they can. It is ridiculous to think that the manufacturer did not design the restraints with the knowledge / understanding that a larger person could sit in the ride putting additional outward stress on the harness. The restraints were designed to handle all of those situations.

 

It's also ridiculous to hypothesize that because the ride spent some time down because of harness sensors in the past that those issues have any bearing on this. When B&M created the flying coasters, they did a computerized harness check and those things were down CONSTANTLY while the bugs were worked out of the system. None of those rides - nor any B&M for that matter - have ever ejected anyone.

 

If the lady stated that she didn't feel safe in the ride before she was sent out, then she joins the ranks of dozens of people who make the same claim every day. Your checks is what ensures that they are safe, or should be. Again, this means nothing.

 

Most parks and chains are self-insured, including Six Flags, so the shutting down of any other rides is not ordered by the insurance company, unless you count that as the chain itself.

 

At the end of the day, the ultimate goal of a park should always be to ensure that everything is as safe as possible, and this situation is no different. There is NOTHING worse than an accident to cause bad pub and stop people from coming, and with Six Flags being a chain, the effect can be like dominoes - just because the accident occurred at Texas doesn't mean it won't affect attendance at Great Adventure and Magic Mountain. It will. Watch the stock price on Monday and I bet you'll see a sizable dip, and I'm guessing it will affect the entire year's earnings. Cedar Fair will be in a similar situation, even though it wasn't at their park.

 

It is the absolute worst thing that can happen to a park (for so many different reasons, the largest still being the loss of life), and so I have full faith that Six Flags will be putting a ton of time into getting to the bottom of this and then figuring out how it can be prevented for the future. After the Superman issue at Kentucky Kingdom, I know of many changes that Six Flags voluntarily implemented on their drop rides to ensure their safety.

 

Some other time, I'd be happy to discuss harness theory, and how I am fascinated that we have all this new technology and ride harness systems are only scratching the surface of what they can do, but this isn't the time. What's done is done, and we can hope that moving forward it is solved so that a tragic accident like this doesn't happen ever again.

 

...oh, and one last thing, I'm sure that the government will use this as another example about how better government oversight would help prevent this stuff from happening. (I just saw it on the CNN article, for instance.) Just for the record, while I'm all for actually improving the safety standards, this simply wouldn't help anything. The biggest incentive for keeping the rides safe is what I mentioned above about how bad it is for a park from every angle if they don't, and because no state has enough amusement rides for there to be an inspector full time that just does that, the people that you put into those situations have no idea what they are looking at.

 

Simply put, some government inspector isn't going to be a better authority on how to fix your shiny Intamin coaster than the people who work on it daily. While like I said above, I don't want to speculate, one thing I am positive of - additional government oversight would not have prevented this in any way.

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Having a lap bar only restraint meet your "gut" before your thighs is exactly how these accidents happen. How could you think you're secured by a LAP BAR if it is meeting at your stomach? If an obese person were to tuck their fat into the restraint once you experience negative G's or a shift in position, that fat will likely lift, leaving a sizeable gap between body and restraint.

 

At Cedar Point the other day a large woman needed the effort of two ops to get the restraint closed and bucked on Raptor. She sat directly in front of me and it didn't even look like her buttocks was in the seat properly. I don't understand why they even allow it. If you can't secure your restraint yourself, you shouldn't be able to ride.

 

That said, I am not implying this woman was obese and above scenario is what happened here. Only the investigation will determine the cause of this accident.

 

Oh and Carmen Brown...any relation to Sweet Brown?

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First of all, this is a horribly sad incident. Prayers to the family of the woman.

 

Now, I can see a few different ways this could have played out-

 

-The rider was overweight and barely fit into the restraint.

-The rider overweight and somehow over-stressed the restraint.

-The rider was any weight and was improperly restrained by the operator.

-The rider was overweight (or heck, any weight) and sensors (I thnk NTAG has sensors based on what I've heard) gave a false positive that the restraint was locked.

-The restraint could have been faulty.

-The rider was improperly using the restraint.

 

 

O.K., now let's go over the outcomes that this could come out with for the ride, and bear in mind some of these could be combined-

 

-The cause is rider error or size. The ride stays identical or becomes more restrictive to larger people.

-The cause is operator error, the operators involved are fired or given other jobs, and the ride is identical

-Like the first two, the ride stays practically identical, but with extra stapling

-The ride is trimmed to death (does NTAG slow on its MCBR by the way?)

-The ride gets seat belts.

-The restraints are replaced with new lapbars (or in a worst-case scenario, OTSRs, but why?)

-The trains are replaced, either by Gerstlauer or RMC trains.

-The ride is reprofiled, with airtime-heavy parts being "tamed".

-In an almost impossible twist, the ride is torn down.

 

Just my $.02 on this tragedy.

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Seriously this is the worst news to wake up to! That poor kid riding with his mother! This makes me want to cry. It really doesn't matter who or what was at fault (although it should still be addressed) a child just watched his mother die and that is heart breaking!

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